Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Oystein said:
Have you seen my post #7326? In it, I asked everyone, but specifically you, on what information Bush could have made decisions.
I also raised the issue of time that is required to gather, evaluate, filter and present information.

The additional time needed to organize a safe and orderly way out for the President has been mentioned by others (when your nation is under attack, it is not smart to rush the President out onto the street; you first want to double-check for booby traps, snipers and the like)
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And WHAT IF he 'could' have done something...? What if, we DID have a fighter in the air, near one of those airliners? The President wasn't in a Command position, to even consider making that call, because he was playing nursemaid to a group of kids.

"Wow, we sure are lucky the President didn't have anything to do, WHILE WE ARE UNDER DIRECT ATTACK, that way he could spend an extra 1/6th of an hour reading about the goat."

The President operates within a secure perimeter. He was not in danger. If he WAS 'at that moment' in danger, how horked up is it that he would shelter near children???

"Mr. President, we think you may be a target."

"It's a good thing I'm near children, I understand they make great shields."

Your stance is becoming more crazy to me...
 
King of the Americas said:
So doing NOTHING is 'better' than excusing yourself so that you could be in a position to do SOMETHING...???

I think that defending President Bush's inaction is as stupid as he looked doing NOTHING while we were under attack.

That said I don't consider myself a "truther". I find that the government utterly and completely FAILED in its primary duty to protect citizens from a foreign attack, and those failures were numerous.

To propose that the President did the 'right' thing is to hold our Commander in Chief to the LOWEST level of competence I've ever seen or heard of. When someone tells you that your country is under attack, you MOVE to defend it.

Reading a goat book is NOT part of your job description, while we are under attack...IF YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
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Your Imperial Grand Ducal Serene Illustrious Highness.
If only had they listened then to your wise counsel all this would have been avoided; but no.

And here we are, you told them so.
Cold comfort.
 
dafydd said:
Of course. Have you ever known a truther that answered a straight question?
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Unfortunately no...the one's that were to be saved from this idiocy already have been...more and more I'm of the mind that anyone who still buys into this crap will so till the day they die. Sad because alot of them are really still just kids...others, like Clayton Moore, were convinced the moment someone mentioned "dancing Israelis".
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yup. I suppose his stonewalling against an investigation was so he could recover from the headlights.
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One of the largest FBI investigations in history, and you missed it while playing politics, where Clinton killed 50 people according to biased nuts and the best Bush and Chaney can do is cover-up shooting a friend by taking him to the Hospital.

You failed to pay attention. Lucky for all you were not on Flight 93, it has taken you nearly 10 years and you have no clue what happen, while Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes and took action. What have you done?
 
And WHAT IF he 'could' have done something...? What if, we DID have a fighter in the air, near one of those airliners?
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You can't play the "what if" game when we know for a FACT there weren't fighters in the air, nor should there have been.
 
King of the Americas said:
We CAN'T because there was no one at a post, to order any fighters, anywhere.

Nation Guard trainers do fly WITH live munitions, sometimes.
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Sometimes?

So you're 100% sure that 9/11 was one of those times?

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU PEOPLE TO ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG?

Do you have the 1st idea what the SOP was for a hijacking? You think the 1st thing they're supposed to do is round up all the fighters we have and shoot first, ask questions later? Tell me - prior to 9/11, what percentage of hijackings resulted in the plane being slammed into a building?

Zero?

Why do you suppose it worked so well? You're railing against Bush here, with ZERO accurate information, ZERO ability to use common sense, and ZERO evidence of anything.

Why do you exist again? Just to steal MY air?


Nation Guard trainers do fly WITH live munitions, sometimes.
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Back that up with evidence to support it.
 
A single security firm, owned by one country, but controlled by another, was in charge of security at all the departure points for 9-11 flights.

Cui Bono Who benefits from this? The basics, who had motive not to investigate?
 
I will make this more complicated

If something had been discovered that did not fit in with the Official Explanation, what would not have happened, that did? A fork in the time-line if you read sci fi.

Our friends in the Pakistan ISI would not have gotten their billions. The $100,000 sent by a member of the ISI to one of the hijackers (before 9-11) would have gotten more notice.
 
Why would the Bush Administration ignore funding of the Hijackers by the Pakistani ISI?
 
The Pakistani ISI were in bed with another National Intelligence Group. No it was not the CIA (at this time they are actually mostly not guilty)

Cui Bono Who benefits from this?
 
Sunstealer said:
Stop the presses! Hold the phones! The greatest scoop the world has ever seen!! ENGINEER DOES WHAT ENGINEERS DO!

This has been explained to C7 a dozen times but it won't sink into his skull. Engineers are called on to predict stuff in their given field and they will make a judgement call based on their experience and the matter at hand. Just as you would ask a carpenter how long it would take a chippy to knock up a wooden window frame rather than a heart surgeon. He still won't get it because he needs the engineer to be a sooper sekrit agent who was in on the plot, hence the scare quotes.

I've already explained to him that most engineers will also err on the side of caution when making these predictions - kind of covers our rears a bit.
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Hell , when I delve into the engineering side of things, I am overly conservative........a few dollars vs. a human life......no question.
 
Oz1976 said:
Again, I'll say it a little slower so maybe you can comprehend it.

They....his advisors and staff....were busy setting up....a room in the school...with televisions and phones....so that he could get in touch....with those that he needed to be....

The secret service....would not allow....him to move irrationally....at a time when the country....is under attack....for fear that he....would be a....prime target.

Understand yet? Did you read my post I've referred to 4 times now describing where he was in relation to the closest command center? You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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I do not think you typed slowly enough for the trooofer to understand :D
 
King of the Americas said:
And WHAT IF he 'could' have done something...? What if, we DID have a fighter in the air, near one of those airliners? The President wasn't in a Command position, to even consider making that call, because he was playing nursemaid to a group of kids.
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Except he was.....you have yet to prove that there is any decision the president could not have made while in the classroom

"Wow, we sure are lucky the President didn't have anything to do, WHILE WE ARE UNDER DIRECT ATTACK, that way he could spend an extra 1/6th of an hour reading about the goat."

The President operates within a secure perimeter. He was not in danger. If he WAS 'at that moment' in danger, how horked up is it that he would shelter near children???
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And there is no evidence that the president endangered any lives in the location he was in.

"Mr. President, we think you may be a target."
"It's a good thing I'm near children, I understand they make great shields."
Your stance is becoming more crazy to me...
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absurd speculation.....typical for troofers
 
The same National Intelligence Group had been let into the American Intelligence Community by CIA traitors and Ronald Reagan in 1979. It was an unexpected consequence of the October Surprise. By 2001 most of the CIA members responsible had long since retired (Making the CIA mostly not guilty) in 2001. The CIA was too difficult to hide in and didn't have what they needed.

The FBI and the Department of Justice (George Orwell is laughing his a## off) were Co-opted particularly in Counterintelligence by again: the same National Intelligence Group. Hoover designed the FBI a a tool using an American Corporate structure as a template. Commands went downward and obedience is before integrity. I doubt if it required more than 2 or 3 key people in the FBI, though they did have a lot of political cover in the Senate and Congress.

Stupid ambitious people can be used where you would think a fanatic is required.
 
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