Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[000063]

Now you're equivocating on the word "over"?

He phrased something ambiguously, apologized for doing so, and clarified.

Also, you used "belies" incorrectly earlier, and haven't acknowledged it. You have precisely no wiggle room to start pointing fingers about others use of language errors.

 

[King of the Americas]

What should he have done? So far your answers to this question do not reflect any of his possible choices. Remaining calm and waiting for security to clear his departure.

I've already said what he should have done- "Get to a Command Post, as soon as possible."

 

[DGM]

I've already said what he should have done- "Get to a Command Post, as soon as possible."

What "command center" would that be?

 

[Animal]

1. He had his entourage on it...they were finding out information and relaying to him from across the room, you can see him in the full video look up from time to time and nod as he's given info from behind the students.

2. He went to Booker Elementary, in Sarasota Florida via motorcade. The closest base is an hour and a half north travelling by car on I-75 to I-275 into Tampa to reach Macdill Airforce Base (CENTCOM).

3. His entourage set up a quick command post inside the school which he was brought to after those 8 minutes while the secret service and others determined the best course of action to safely and securely get him to AF1 and in the air.

Stop acting like you or anyone else would have reacted any different in that situation. NONE OF US, nor has anyone else, been in THAT situation. How long did Obama linger over the decision to give the SEALS the go ahead when we knew the location of Osama bin Laden finally? Hmm?

The fact of the matter is whether he made the right decision or not, none of us can say what he could or should have done better. We have not the experience to say so. I'm guessing 99.99% of the TM would have pissed there pants and caused a panic in that class room where they in GWB's position that day. So please, cut the hindsight rhetoric.

A little research by the BDS sufferers would show that at least one member of his entourage was holding up notes in the back of the classroom, such as "Don't say anything yet"

I get the feeling that most of the troofer crowd has never seen a presidential motorcade, nor a presidential event ( or even an event requiring the SS) It is quite impressive regarding the amount of work and coordination that takes place. Streets such down, snipers of roof tops, SS agents in the crowd, jump cars, etc. It takes time to coordinate such movement. Anyone who thinks Bush could have just jumped in the limo and drove off to the airport is either terminally stupid or willfully ignorant, or a combination of both.

 

[Bell]

I've already said what he should have done- "Get to a Command Post, as soon as possible."

And what have George W. Bush's (non) actions have to do with an inside job?

 

[000063]

In other words, you think he should've run flailing for the command post as soon as one was ready. Or just immediately run flailing to the parking lot, where he could wait for a car.

Uh...huh.

 

[dafydd]

9/11 wasn't the first time Cheney spoke to the Bush.

Maybe Cheney called him the night before and told him to sit tight till the Pentagon was attacked.

Hopeless,kiddo. Go back to troll school.

 

[King of the Americas]

[qimg]http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/37/3722/KGTAF00Z/posters/keep-calm-and-carry-on.jpg[/qimg]Is all that Bush did. Absolutely no point in doing anything else. Funny how truthers criticize, but don't actually say exactly what he should have been doing. Far better to finish up with the children and then move on.

I suspect truthers expected him to stand up, remove his suit to reveal a super-hero costume with under-pants on the outside and fly out the window to the rescue of everyone.

So doing NOTHING is 'better' than excusing yourself so that you could be in a position to do SOMETHING...???

I think that defending President Bush's inaction is as stupid as he looked doing NOTHING while we were under attack.

That said I don't consider myself a "truther". I find that the government utterly and completely FAILED in its primary duty to protect citizens from a foreign attack, and those failures were numerous.

To propose that the President did the 'right' thing is to hold our Commander in Chief to the LOWEST level of competence I've ever seen or heard of. When someone tells you that your country is under attack, you MOVE to defend it.

Reading a goat book is NOT part of your job description, while we are under attack...IF YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

 

[King of the Americas]

And what have George W. Bush's (non) actions have to do with an inside job?

I am not postulated his actions having anything to do with this being an inside job. In fact, I said his expression clearly looked like he was OUT of the loop, if it was an inside job that some knew about.

His actions are evidence of government incompetence...as are the attacks themselves.

 

[NoahFence]

Dude - he's not in office anymore.

Move on.

 

[King of the Americas]

What "command center" would that be?

ANY communication device that would have connected him to an information center...

A cell phone, a room filled TV's, Marine One, the car he arrived in...ANYWHERE but disconnected from the events talking to kids about a goat.

 

[000063]

Your Majesty, your assertions have absolutely no relevance to any conspiracy theory.

I think that defending President Bush's inaction is as stupid as he looked doing NOTHING while we were under attack.

Several people on this thread would agree without you. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand, unless you want to address Clay and What Really Happened's claim that he didn't look surprised.

When someone tells you that your country is under attack, you MOVE to defend it.

Move to where? The command post in the school wasn't ready yet, and the nearest external one required the Service to bring the car around, which, I assure you, takes more than eight minutes. You say he should have moved to a "command post", but you refuse to say which.

I still don't see what this has to do with a LIHOP theory. Could you please explain?

 

[Animal]

So doing NOTHING is 'better' than excusing yourself so that you could be in a position to do SOMETHING...???

When was he out of position to do something? He had people in the back of the room messaging him by note cards, and anything more urgent they could have simply interrupted him again like Card did.

I think that defending President Bush's inaction is as stupid as he looked doing NOTHING while we were under attack.

And yet you have yet to reveal just what action the President could have taken that would have changed anything that happened that day. You do not have a clue what was taking place outside the field of view of the camera

That said I don't consider myself a "truther".

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.................

I find that the government utterly and completely FAILED in its primary duty to protect citizens from a foreign attack, and those failures were numerous.

And the root causes go back many many years prior to the attacks.

To propose that the President did the 'right' thing is to hold our Commander in Chief to the LOWEST level of competence I've ever seen or heard of. When someone tells you that your country is under attack, you MOVE to defend it.

To propose the President run out of the room and tilt at windmills is pure ignorance

Reading a goat book is NOT part of your job description, while we are under attack...IF YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

 

[King of the Americas]

Dude - he's not in office anymore.

Move on.

It just REALLY bothers me that President Bush and his supporters hang their hat on how 'good' a job he did.

My personal favorite is how they tout his record AFTER 9-11, and how we didn't get attacked AGAIN...completely ignoring the whole powdered anthrax attacks that occurred AFTER 9-11, which NO ONE was charged with.

To claim that he couldn't have done anything anyway, so why not sit with a bunch of kids is complete rubbish...

 

[DGM]

ANY communication device that would have connected him to an information center...

A cell phone, a room filled TV's, Marine One, the car he arrived in...ANYWHERE but disconnected from the events talking to kids about a goat.

He was in contact with people (remember the guy that told him what was going on). In the short time before he left, what would have been different if he jumped up and ran to the "command center"?

 

[Clayton Moore]

So doing NOTHING is 'better' than excusing yourself so that you could be in a position to do SOMETHING...???

I think that defending President Bush's inaction is as stupid as he looked doing NOTHING while we were under attack.

That said I don't consider myself a "truther". I find that the government utterly and completely FAILED in its primary duty to protect citizens from a foreign attack, and those failures were numerous.

To propose that the President did the 'right' thing is to hold our Commander in Chief to the LOWEST level of competence I've ever seen or heard of. When someone tells you that your country is under attack, you MOVE to defend it.

Reading a goat book is NOT part of your job description, while we are under attack...IF YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

He wasn't. Cheney was.

 

[000063]

ANY communication device that would have connected him to an information center...

A cell phone, a room filled TV's, Marine One, the car he arrived in...ANYWHERE but disconnected from the events talking to kids about a goat.

You mean like the room he went to as soon as the Service had set it up and notified him? Would that qualify as a "command centre"?

Your position is that the gov't let it happen on purpose, yet you claim they were incompetent. If they were incompetent, then guess what? They didn't let it happen on purpose, they let it happen by incompetence. Either they were competent enough to see it coming and then let it happen, or they were incompetent enough not to see it coming. Like most Truther's, your position requires competence and incompetence simultaneously.

In the short time before he left, what would have been different if he jumped up and ran to the "command center"?

Good question! Let's wait for His Nibs to not answer it.

 

[Travis]

I've already said what he should have done- "Get to a Command Post, as soon as possible."

And, as I pointed out, he would not have had much to do there. Any other action he might have taken would have been for public relations purposes only.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Now you're equivocating on the word "over"?

Here's another example, EMH, of your truther parrot logic. RedIbis has some vague idea that the word "equivocating" has something to do with words having variable meanings, so he's hoping that if he uses it, he'll sound like he's got an argument. If he knew what the word meant, he'd understand that DGM, by clarifying exactly what he means by using a particular word in a particular context, is in fact doing the exact opposite of equivocating; but he doesn't, he just knows that it's a big sounding word that wins arguments when it's used against truthers, so he tries to use it to win one for himself. Truthers have mastered cargo cult science, so now they're branching out into cargo cult analysis of logical fallacies.

Dave

 

[000063]

See also; "belies".