Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[ddt]

And my 3rd example is in Revelation 21:21. It says, "The 12 gates were 12 pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass." For thousands of years no person new what transparent glass was. However, people now put it in between the panes of the windows of aircraft windshields so that flying birds won't break the glass when they hit the windshields. Transparent gold makes windows very strong. You can read about it by Googleing it. This verse was written around 70-80 AD."

To add to the other comments: I'm a bit confused about the highlighted sentence. People already knew about transparent glass, according to wiki glass production goes back to 3500 BC in Mesopotamia. Around the time Revelation was written, the Romans had a big glass industry. If you ever visit Cologne in Germany, drop by the Römisch-Germanisches Museum. IIRC they even sell the original Roman glass bottles they dig up there, there are so many of them.

 

[Lucian]

I knew about it because we had to read William Blake in high school. Or are we talking about something else?

No, same thing. I don't know when I first read the poem on which the hymn "Jerusalem" is based, but I know I'd heard it on Monty Python first. I suspect Blake would have been horrified by the hymn and the way it has become entrenched in traditional Anglican Christianity. I like to think that he'd enjoy Monty Python's use of it though.

 

[Larechar]

To add to the other comments: I'm a bit confused about the highlighted sentence. People already knew about transparent glass, according to wiki glass production goes back to 3500 BC in Mesopotamia. Around the time Revelation was written, the Romans had a big glass industry. If you ever visit Cologne in Germany, drop by the Römisch-Germanisches Museum. IIRC they even sell the original Roman glass bottles they dig up there, there are so many of them.

My mom's never won a prize for her brilliant mind.

I keep seeing IIRC, and I'm curious about the meaning. Enlighten me please?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

My mom's never won a prize for her brilliant mind.

I keep seeing IIRC, and I'm curious about the meaning. Enlighten me please?

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
or
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Direct cut & paste:

"... Numbers 31:21-23 says, "..." This verse was written in about 2000 BC. ..."

Only if you are an evangelical Christian (or maybe its Jewish/Muslim equivalent) and cling to Mosaic authorship. The normal world puts these text later.

"There is a growing consensus among scholars that the book dates from the early Persian period (5th century BCE), and is a reworking of various traditions dating back as far as the 8th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Numbers

 

[Larechar]

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
or
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

Ah dang. I can usually figure those out right after I've asked, at the latest, haha. But I didn't get that one. Thank you

Only if you are an evangelical Christian (or maybe its Jewish/Muslim equivalent) and cling to Mosaic authorship. The normal world puts these text later.

"There is a growing consensus among scholars that the book dates from the early Persian period (5th century BCE), and is a reworking of various traditions dating back as far as the 8th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Numbers

Don't ask me homie; I try to not debate mi mama about her beliefs.

 

[Lothian]

I don't suppose there's much point asking if you've seen any empty tombs about the place then?

I suspect that 10 of these might be empty.

 

[pakeha]

To add to the other comments: I'm a bit confused about the highlighted sentence. People already knew about transparent glass, according to wiki glass production goes back to 3500 BC in Mesopotamia. Around the time Revelation was written, the Romans had a big glass industry. If you ever visit Cologne in Germany, drop by the Römisch-Germanisches Museum. IIRC they even sell the original Roman glass bottles they dig up there, there are so many of them.

Ninja'd yet again.
Still.
I knew about the Egyptian glass industry, but not the Mesopotamian.

welshdean, thanks for the reminder of the S.A.B.
I've had to replace my laptop and I'm building up my book marks yet again.
So.
Waiting for DOC and the 500th page.

 

[Gandalfs Beard]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/4474d76927db0a84.gif[/qimg]

I suspect that 10 of these might be empty.

The JREF forum REALLY needs a Nomination for Best Use of Imagery awards.

A picture is worth a thousand words....wait...no....a picture on this thread is worth 2,469,286 words^TM* (and counting). ;

*courtesy of Akhenaten

GB

 

[catsmate]

To add to the other comments: I'm a bit confused about the highlighted sentence. People already knew about transparent glass, according to wiki glass production goes back to 3500 BC in Mesopotamia. Around the time Revelation was written, the Romans had a big glass industry. If you ever visit Cologne in Germany, drop by the Römisch-Germanisches Museum. IIRC they even sell the original Roman glass bottles they dig up there, there are so many of them.

Glass vessel production expanded greatly in the first century CE with improved furnace designs allowing for glass-blowing; they were usually translucent at best. Though transparent glass wasn't common it was far from unknown in the period.
The main problem with producing colourless transparent glass was the type of sand; some deposits worked better than others as they were free from metallic salts. Using a high potassium flux rather than high sodium also helped.

 

[DOC]

What evidence is he referring to? The bible? Or are you going to actually go to the sources he used and find something we can finally sink our teeth into?

You don't seem to understand arguments from authority very well doc.

Crikey - only five more pages to go until we hit the 500 mark! Is the pizza party still on? Are Nimrod and Wilbur on the invitation list? And how do we intend to celebrate the glorious day when, after another elebenty gazillion posts, this gargantuan thread expands to 1000 pages?

There were moments - back in the mid-Jurassic era - when I was almost convinced that DOC was either a very persistent troll or a performance artist. However, his total failure to come up with a shred of evidence for why we know the New Testament authors told the truth has convinced me that he is in fact the world's most inept Christian apologist. I've also come to believe that his posts are proof of a link between blind faith and a chronic inability to use question marks.

I actually set my post pages back from 50 to 40 so I could follow the banter here. A sad commentary on my life.

You're just a sad little man, aren't you?


So. Anyone heard any good jokes seen any evidence lately?

If we hit 400 pages before evidence is presented, does the internet catch fire?

I hope not. That'll be one hell of a burn.

@Akhenaten with so many words in favor of this thread, I guess This is "evidence for why we know the Thread posters told the truth(*)".

(*) Thread starter partially excepted from this statement

So...according to DOC's theory that quantity equals truthiness, this overwhelmingly DOC-shredding thread is more true than both the Gutenberg Bible AND the New Testament!

Thanks to the Pharoah, Wilbur and Nimrod for pointing that out. Also, I think Wilbur and Nimrod should have their own animated series.

A little off topic. But usually most of the youtubes I see on JREF have little boxes with disclaimers. How do you do that?

GB

Holy lurker!

Welcome!

And don't try to read the whole thread. You'll lose your sanity (just look at what happened to Akhenaten).

As far as your mother's "Evidence", it seems to be optimistic interpretations of carefully selected passages. For all of the, and especially the last one, be wary of using the English words in the text as evidence of anything. If a claim is being made off of a word or phrase (like "transparent glass"), go back to the earliest Greek texts. Some people here can read it and may be willing to help.

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kmortis, I wish they would hit the "quote" button, instead of the "post reply" button. To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine. You have to ask why. Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

 

[pakeha]

What a fascinating subject!
From wiki

...the disasters that overtook Late Bronze Age civilizations seem to have brought glass-making to a halt. It picked up again in its former sites, in Syria and Cyprus, in the 9th century BCE, when the techniques for making colorless glass were discovered. The first glassmaking "manual" dates back to ca. 650 BCE...

This thread is a mine of information today, with contents ranging from Blake's poems to the history of glass.
All one could wish for is evidence the NT writers wrote the truth, but there you are.
I want to believe DOC'll eventually find some to share with us.

 

[Lothian]

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kmortis, I wish they would hit the "quote" button, instead of the "post reply" button. To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine. You have to ask why. Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious secieon.

Another no information post.

 

[Akhenaten]

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kmortis, I wish they would hit the "quote" button, instead of the "post reply" button.

What in the name of fortune are you talking about?

To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine.

Why did you post this nonsense under a bunch of posts that weren't, in fact, talking about you?

You have to ask why.

Because it's not about you?

Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

You're not seriously suggesting that people are only supposed to post responses to you, are you? That people aren't allowed to have a conversation between themselves that doesn't involve you?

Really???

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

You have no idea how utterly irrelevant your nattering is, do you?

Either post your drivel or not. The forum, and indeed this thread, are quite capable of continuing without your interruptions.

 

[Gandalfs Beard]

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kmortis, I wish they would hit the "quote" button, instead of the "post reply" button. To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine. You have to ask why. Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

You mean like this?

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

Why do you always take vacations before you post again?

If you have some new "evidence" let's hear it now. Then we can debunk them before we go to sleep tonight.

GB

 

[Elizabeth I]

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

I will try not to pass out from holding my breath in anticipation.

 

[Akhenaten]

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kmortis, I wish they would hit the "quote" button, instead of the "post reply" button. To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine. You have to ask why. Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

You mean like this?

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

It's a bit mystifying, isn't it? DOC the Postmeister ignores that we've somehow been able to conduct a discussion between ourselves for more than 2½ years and suggests that we might do a better job if we started using a non-existent button.

Why do you always take vacations before you post again?

If you have some new "evidence" let's hear it now. Then we can debunk them before we go to sleep tonight.

GB

I honestly think he tells us so we can organise our schedules around the restriction of not being able to post in 'his' thread until he gives us some more material to work with.

 

[ddt]

And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

Do those insights have to do with the proper translation of Luke 2:2? 'Cause we're not really done with that - or do you admit your borrowed baseless assertions were bunk? (and they're baseless as long as we don't get the argumentation behind those fantastic translations).

 

[John Jones]

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[...]And I have some new insights that I might bring up in the coming weeks either in this thread or in the religious section.

I seriously doubt that.

 

[Resume]

To any lurkers out there you will notice a lot of people like to talk about me without responding to a particular quote of mine. You have to ask why. Posting something is one thing, anybody can do that, posting something in response to a specific quote of mine (that is shown) is another.

That's because you keep repeating stuff. Relevant responses to your blather were made in the first few pages of this disaster; it seems to me that you should consider it lucky that most posters demonstrate this much respect in regards to the circles you fashion.

How's that for a specific response?