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Clayton- I have posted a clear picture of a fire that has spread to at least 20 floors. what say you?
 
Clayton Moore said:
How could fire spread to 10 floors? That's one thing.

Look at the videos. The fires were small. Most of WTC7 was pristine, same as both towers. Any heat to a steel column or beam is immediately shared/dissipated throughout the entire beam or column.

Structural failure doesn't become global structural failure. That's just stupid magic crap.

You do know that blow torches are used to "weaken" steel and that their RANGE of effectiveness is inches?
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OMG, contradict yourself much?
 
Clayton Moore said:
How could fire spread to 10 floors? That's one thing.
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What a stupid reply. You deny there were fires on at least 10 floors?
We know there were fires on at least 10 floors, because we have images and videos of flames coming visibly out of windows on at least 10 floors. There were more floors that smoke was emenating from, and some floors that had no windows (floors 5 and 6. for example, were merely technical floors, no offices). So it is a FACT that 10 OR MORE floors had fires.

Clayton Moore said:
Look at the videos. The fires were small. Most of WTC7 was pristine, same as both towers.
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WTC7 was a freakingly huge skyscraper. Would have been the tallest in many states and countries. Having fires on 10 floors or more, some of which burned out through most of their floor area, is HUGE! It would be the most remembered desaster of the decade, if not century, in most cities!

Clayton Moore said:
Any heat to a steel column or beam is immediately shared/dissipated throughout the entire beam or column.
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Immediately?? How stupid you are!
Starred chefs cook on pots made of copper, because steel doesn't dissipate heat fast enough.

Clayton Moore said:
Structural failure doesn't become global structural failure. That's just stupid magic crap.
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Argument from incredulity and ignorance noted. What a stupid argument.

Clayton Moore said:
You do know that blow torches are used to "weaken" steel and that their RANGE of effectiveness is inches?
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If steel dissipates heat immediately, would a blow torch not heat the entire piece of steel uniformly and never melt and cut a local portion? Do you ever check your posts for internal consistency?



And now the six (out of 8) questions from my last post that you chose to run away from like a cowardly weasly:

These four points are of course Wikipedia's take. (1) Did Bazant himself make four points explicitly? Do you know? (2) Did you read Bazant's paper(s)? Yes or no will do


(3) Do you agree with the full-blooded Americans at Purdue?

Northwestern probably hired Zdenek Bazant, because he is one of the world-leading scholars in his field (from your source: "the world leader in research on scaling in the mechanics of solids"). (4) What are your credentials?

(5) Are you arguing that US universities should not hire the best academics in the world in their respective fields because foreigners can't be trusted? Yes or no will do.

(6) Are you saying that experience is a bad thing in academics and engineering? The younger they are, the better? Yes or no will do.
(7) Clayton, how old are you?

(Oops, I miscounted - 7 out of 9 questions unanswered, not 6/8)
 
Clayton Moore said:
twinstead said:
Is it still your opinion that it was impossible for damage and fire alone to bring the Twin Towers down?
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It is about as impossible as 19 ME looking terrorists getting past Airport Security with box cutters, running 2 jets into the towers
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We all can agree with that :D

Clayton Moore said:
and 5 or so of those ME terrorists showing up alive.
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[ETA]Link? (Yeah, I can play that game, too :D)[/ETA]

Ooh - debunked in 2002, iirc.
Why are you 9 years behind on your facts?
Clayton, how old are you? Didn't your parents allow you to use the internet in 2002? In that case, you have a bit of an excuse for your ignorance.
 
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...Immediately?? How stupid you are!
Starred chefs cook on pots made of copper, because steel doesn't dissipate heat fast enough...
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I think you meant "transfer" heat. That bit of pedantry aside CM is simply wrong. It is well known that a blacksmith can hold one end of a steel bar whilst hammer forging the other end which is red/orange/yellow hot. Don't try holding one end of a copper rod when the other end is heated.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It is about as impossible as 19 ME looking terrorists getting past Airport Security with box cutters, running 2 jets into the towers and 5 or so of those ME terrorists showing up alive.
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WHy?

Pre 9/11 you could have a 4 inch folding blade on you. Boy that is a lot bigger than a box cutter.

Pre 9/11 I flew on an international flight with 4 full length swords in my carry on and the only comment I got from security was
'what are these?'
"swords that I am giving as gifts."
'why don't you check them?'
"I don't want them to get damaged or stolen. Can I carry them on."
'Sure thing.'

So please don't try to tell me that 5 people getting on a flight into first/business class would have had any difficulty getting boxcutters, 4 inch knives or pepper spray/mace...

Your argument from incredulity and ignorance are noted and rejected.

As for the "terrorists are alive" ********... do you have any abilities to do real research? It has been explained to you repeatedly how and where you are wrong.... yet you keep on repeating it.
 
GStan said:
He was answering your question asking could the towers have collapsed with just a few strategically placed bombs on 2 or 3 consecutive upper floors? If not, why not?

Since the collapse started on the exact floors where the planes crashed AND the exact floors where the fires raged for an hour, NO, any explosives that had been previously put in those locations would no longer be operable.
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There were no raging fires.
Why wouldn't they be operable?
 
Clayton Moore said:
There were no raging fires.
Why wouldn't they be operable?
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Yep. Nothing to see here. Everybody move along.... just a small trash can fire. Thank you!
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://california911truth.webs.com/twintowers.htm

The world's first not so raging pulverizing fire.
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You post a moron's website with photos of a fire in Madrid which was fought, but the steel structure on-fire collapsed. In addition, the Madrid building was totaled by fire; your post has building that was destroyed by fire, too weak to be fixed, it had to be taken apart. The reason most of the building was standing, the fires were fought. Showing a building burning at night misleads you to think the fires on 911 were small. 911 fires were bigger than the fires you show from a moronic web site.

He is a moron because he shows cuts made after 911 as his proof of CD. Yes, a moron web site. The idiot posts lies, and you repeat them without thinking, you are good follower, a copy and paste expert 911 truth cult member.

You are posting stuff debunked years ago. Why are you the best 911 truth has?
 
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