Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[triforcharity]

How could fire spread to 10 floors? That's one thing.

Fire spreads. It's kinda it's thing.

Look at the videos. The fires were small. Most of WTC7 was pristine, same as both towers.

Small? Entire floors burned, and you call that small? Horse****. Thank goodness you're not in the fire service. You'll get people killed using your logic.

Any heat to a steel column or beam is immediately shared/dissipated throughout the entire beam or column.

Incorrect. Argument from personal ignorance noted.

Structural failure doesn't become global structural failure. That's just stupid magic crap.

Wow. Citation needed please.

You do know that blow torches are used to "weaken" steel and that their RANGE of effectiveness is inches?

You do realize that this statement doesn't help you much, right?

 

[triforcharity]

Truth be told, I'm more intelligent than any and every truster.

LOL!!! No. Not just no, but HELL no.

 

[twinstead]

Arrogance and incompetence is a delightfully heady combination

 

[Justin39640]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_equation


Originally Posted by Clayton Moore
Any heat to a steel column or beam is immediately shared/dissipated throughout the entire beam or column.


How is the quote from your link different from what I said?

Example:
I can take a long bar of steel (say two inches thick by 6 feet long) and my oxy-acetylene torch. I can heat one end (as not to cut it) until it glows cherry red. The only spot that will glow cherry is the spot where the torch is. The rest of the bar is cooler. It would be quite difficult to get the entire bar to glow cherry in just one spot and it would take a very long time.

I return to my other example of heating a part of a frame (to loosen a frozen bolt) from one of my machines. By what you're saying, I could never get the area around the frozen bolt to glow cherry red because the rest of the 20 tons of steel that machine is made of would wick my heat away too fast. I can assure you that's not correct.

 

[triforcharity]

Why not?

Well, as others have said, they would have to do major construction, and that would be noticed.

Number 2-those cuts were made towards the base of the tower.

Like this.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Any heat to a steel column or beam is immediately shared/dissipated throughout the entire beam or column.

You do know that blow torches are used to "weaken" steel and that their RANGE of effectiveness is inches?

Both of these statements cannot be true.

But in twoofer world, they can be, for it is how the cognitive dissonance stays alive in them.......

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Originally Posted by sylvan8798
You do realize that there is NO WAY "they" could have applied those angle cutting shaped charges to the exterior columns of the WTC, right? Because that is what the nutjobs in your link are implying.

Why not?

The angle cuts were not made during the collapse (by thermite or anything else), but after. Period.



I'm not expecting this to make any sense of someone who says no fires raged in the Twin Towers on 9/11. That takes a special kind of density.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Example:
I can take a long bar of steel (say two inches thick by 6 feet long) and my oxy-acetylene torch. I can heat one end (as not to cut it) until it glows cherry red. The only spot that will glow cherry is the spot where the torch is. The rest of the bar is cooler. It would be quite difficult to get the entire bar to glow cherry in just one spot and it would take a very long time.

I return to my other example of heating a part of a frame (to loosen a frozen bolt) from one of my machines. By what you're saying, I could never get the area around the frozen bolt to glow cherry red because the rest of the 20 tons of steel that machine is made of would wick my heat away too fast. I can assure you that's not correct.

Time, and the low heat and location of an office fire would never provide enough heat to weaken the steel support columns to initiate a collapse.

You could apply the heat of an office fire directly to a Tower support column for most of eternity and it would never weaken sufficiently without help beyond the building's force on it.

 

[twinstead]

You could apply the heat of an office fire directly to a Tower support column for most of eternity and it would never weaken sufficiently without help beyond the building's force on it.

This is totally, embarrassingly wrong

A lot of really smart people disagree with you, and not just here on JREF. You do realize that if you are wrong about this you are going to look very. very silly, right?.

Oh. Too late

 

[twinstead]

It's sunk in now. Clayton are you saying that there's no way that ANY amount of heat, applied for ANY amount of time, would never have weakened the steel enough to fail without help from some kind of explosives?

 

[DGM]

It's sunk in now. Clayton are you saying that there's no way that ANY amount of heat, applied for ANY amount of time, would never have weakened the steel enough to fail without help from some kind of explosives?

Makes you wonder why they invented fire-proofing for steel.








No it doesn't.

 

[dafydd]

The angle cuts were not made during the collapse (by thermite or anything else), but after. Period.



I'm not expecting this to make any sense of someone who says no fires raged in the Twin Towers on 9/11. That takes a special kind of density.

So the smoke and flames that I saw on TV that day were CGI? Well I never,thank you to Clayton for pointing that out.

 

[triforcharity]

Time, and the low heat and location of an office fire would never provide enough heat to weaken the steel support columns to initiate a collapse.

Why do you say this? What do you mean by low heat? Would you care to show your math?

You could apply the heat of an office fire directly to a Tower support column for most of eternity and it would never weaken sufficiently without help beyond the building's force on it.

Argument from personal ignorance noted.

 

[triforcharity]

Well, as others have said, they would have to do major construction, and that would be noticed.

Number 2-those cuts were made towards the base of the tower.

Like this.

Hey Clayton, care to address this post? You seem to be ignoring it!

 

[beachnut]

Congratulations. You have earned a 3 day or less Clayton Moore time out.

Wow, you offer delusional claptrap and lies. You have banned logic and knowledge from your posts.

Time, and the low heat and location of an office fire would never provide enough heat to weaken the steel support columns to initiate a collapse.

You could apply the heat of an office fire directly to a Tower support column for most of eternity and it would never weaken sufficiently without help beyond the building's force on it.

Why use engineering and science when you can make it up? Delusional nonsense.

Time, and the low heat and location of an office fire would never provide enough heat to weaken the steel support columns to initiate a collapse.

You could apply the heat of an office fire directly to a Tower support column for most of eternity and it would never weaken sufficiently without help beyond the building's force on it.

An idiotic statement, the best you can do; fail.

 

[JohnG]

It is about as impossible as 19 ME looking terrorists getting past Airport Security with box cutters...

True story: I have a miniature Swiss Army Knife (with a surprisingly sharp blade) on my key chain that I've been able to take on board flights both before and after 9/11. In fact I had it with me the last time I flew, which was about three years ago, out of Logan Airport, no less. No Airport Security personnel has ever looked twice at it, even on the day a few years ago when they confiscated the world's smallest screwdriver (used for eyeglass repair) from my travel shaving kit because they said it could be used as a weapon. So, for those of you at home keeping score, they confiscated the teeny tiny screwdriver, but they totally ignored the keychain with the Swiss Army Knife containing a (surprisingly sharp) blade, nail file, toothpick, scissors and (deadliest of all) another teeny tiny screwdriver. Airport Security are a lot of things, but sadly (and sometimes tragically) they aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed. Hell, sometimes they aren't even the sharpest tools in my shaving kit.

Oh and then there's the fact that before 9/11 there was no regulation concerning passengers taking box cutters onboard flights. It was a simpler time, a more innocent time. People seemed to smile more back then...probably because most of the future 9/11 Truthers weren't old enough to be on the internet.

...ME terrorists showing up alive.

So, no two people in the world have the same name?! By that logic you must be Clayton Moore; "The Lone Ranger" himself! This is a real honor, Mr. Moore! I've been a fan for as long as I can remember. Can I ask you a few questions?

1. What say you about erroneous reports of your death in 1999?

2. What was Jay Silverheels like to work with?

3. Do you still bear a grudge about the infamous "Legend of the Lone Ranger" PR debacle?

4. Why did you give up making public appearances and instead devote all your time to posting BS on the internet?

 

[George 152]

Isn't it weird how thermite can cut through the columns in one spot over a short time without heat dispersion, but fire heating up a much larger section of that same column over an hour or so cannot?

I wondered about that
And over the length of the column there's all that expansion that will break off any connecting frames

 

[Clayton Moore]

Oh and then there's the fact that before 9/11 there was no regulation concerning passengers taking box cutters onboard flights. It was a simpler time, a more innocent time. People seemed to smile more back then...probably because most of the future 9/11 Truthers weren't old enough to be on the internet.

So you're saying if someone had a box-cutter on their person or in their carry on nothing would have been said in 2001?

That's funny.

 

[beachnut]

So you're saying if someone had a box-cutter on their person or in their carry on nothing would have been said in 2001?

That's funny.

What were the rules before 911? Can you contribute more than failed lies and delusions on 911 topics?

 

[DGM]

So you're saying if someone had a box-cutter on their person or in their carry on nothing would have been said in 2001?

That's funny.

It's true. You're pathetic.

Why don't you pull your head out of your arse and show he was wrong with the FAA regulations?

Bet you won't.

Let's do this. (I'll be easy on you) $100 USD (paid to charity) says you can't back this claim. Want to go?