Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Clayton Moore said:
Here we go with the truster's I'll and ask say whatever comes to mind and as long as it's all in the right direction it won't be questioned by the local swarm.


if the wiring and detonators were proofed against fire and impact, they're already more durable than the black boxes were. Flight recorders, quite frequently, are too damaged to provide correct data.


Let's go trusters beat the crap out of that.
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Ironically, for all your sarcasm, you fail to actually ask a single question.

Black boxes aren't designed to take an impact of 100s of MPH, nor an hour of fire, and they do, in fact, fail often after plane crashes.

Remember, these explosives would also have to be attached to beams that were knocked clean out of the buildings, and deposited randomly in Manhattan. Unless the 'spirators actually knew exactly which beams would and wouldn't be knocked out of the buildings, and/or where they would land in order to send the black vans reported by several people to confiscate the incriminating debris, which is laughable.
 
triforcharity said:
Clayton, You never did address my post about the Verinage demolitions technique.

Rather interesting if you ask me.

It's here. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7238730&postcount=6176
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It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
 
Clayton Moore said:
It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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Debunk yourself much?
 
Clayton Moore said:
It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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So that the building will collapse at just the time you want and in just the way you want. You know as opposed to just setting huge fires then sitting back and waiting a whole day for a collapse to start wherever.
 
Clayton Moore said:
On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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Well, if you want to bring down WTC1 and WTC2, then, yes, you could dump thousands of gallons of aviation fuel in them, set fire to it over several floors, and wait. The tricky bit is not bringing down WTC3, WTC4, WTC5, WTC6, WTC7 and the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, or damaging One Liberty Plaza, 130 Liberty Street, 30 West Broadway, 90 West Street, the Verizon Building, WFC1, WFC2 and 90 Church Street. But if you're the sort of demolition contractor who diesn't mind taking out eight times as many buildings as you were supposed to, and your insurers are cool with it, blaze away!

Dave
 
Clayton Moore said:
It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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This would be the word you need to examine here.
 
000063 said:
Ironically, for all your sarcasm, you fail to actually ask a single question.

Black boxes aren't designed to take an impact of 100s of MPH
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actually they are designed to withstand an impact of hundreds of MPH.

nor an hour of fire
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and they are supposed to be able to withstand fire.

, and they do, in fact, fail often after plane crashes.
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not often.
But what Clayton and other truthers fail to recognize is that it isn't the INDIVIDUAL issues of impact, or fire, or fall, or time in the rubble... it is the culmination of all of those.

Impacting steel structure at 500 mph. Being within the acre sized inferno for an hour before falling 1000 feet with tens of thousands of tons of rubble on top of it, within a underground rubble fire in a very hot caustic environment for 99 days....

All of that added together is why they were not recovered. IN some regular crashes the FDR and black boxes are so distorted that you can't tell what they were... and that is w/out ALL of that involved happening. It is just a basic argument from ignorance and incredulity for the twoof ... again.
 
Is it me or is Clayton pretty much stepping off into an abyss of nonsense now?
 
Clayton Moore said:
It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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[facepalm]

argument from ignorance and incredulity.... again.

do you have anything at all besides that?
 
Clayton Moore said:
It did require exacting preparation. So that kills any similarity to the debunker premise that the THREE WTC were not prepared/rigged to collapse.

On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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Still no luck on the explosive residue then. Shouldn't be too hard since it would be all over New York.
 
Travis said:
So that the building will collapse at just the time you want and in just the way you want. You know as opposed to just setting huge fires then sitting back and waiting a whole day for a collapse to start wherever.
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I think an hour of preparation is a nice tidy window of preparation. Applying steel weakening heat at exactly the right, computer modeled places.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I think an hour of preparation is a nice tidy window of preparation. Applying steel weakening heat at exactly the right, computer modeled places.
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Nonsense!
What about Flight 77 and Flight 93? You have no clue on structural engineering, and now you have two more flights you can't explain. How will you get your America Back, we don't want to go back to failed logic you want, or paranoid conspiracies like you want, we choose to go forward not because it is easy, but gaining knowledge and thinking for yourself is hard, something you can't do, something you refuse to do.

You have failed to take action and expose what you think is a conspiracy. You never will take action, you haven nothing to offer, zero evidence, no clue what happen as you make up lies and spread delusional claims.
 
On the sane side if two huge buildings can come down with minimal "preparation" time and no explosives why are controlled demolition companies still in business?
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It's not a huge business. They generally can't afford to buy 757s to slam into the side of the building they're taking down. So they use conventional methods.
 
NoahFence said:
It's not a huge business. They generally can't afford to buy 757s to slam into the side of the building they're taking down. So they use conventional methods.
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Certainly within the range/scope/sphere of two different collisions and subsequent application of steel weakening heat a computer generated demolition formula would be a snap.
 
beachnut said:
Nonsense!
What about Flight 77 and Flight 93? You have no clue on structural engineering, and now you have two more flights you can't explain. How will you get your America Back, we don't want to go back to failed logic you want, or paranoid conspiracies like you want, we choose to go forward not because it is easy, but gaining knowledge and thinking for yourself is hard, something you can't do, something you refuse to do.

You have failed to take action and expose what you think is a conspiracy. You never will take action, you haven nothing to offer, zero evidence, no clue what happen as you make up lies and spread delusional claims.
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So you're acknowledging I've resolved the tower collapses?
 
And still you ignore the issue of control. Your digression is yet another example of your utterly failed attempts at logic.

Truther preposition: If CD's could be done by applying some heat to some columns on a few floors, then CD companies would save themselves and their clients a lot of time and money and use this method.

Failure: This "method" did not result in a controlled demolition. It resulted in crushing nearly 16 acres during the destruction of 3 acres of buildings. It resulted in this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:10&biw=1090&bih=466

etc., etc.
 
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