Paul McCartney is Aleister Crowley.

BobHaulk said:
i do love being bitch slapped.
I'm off to sit in the corner and listen to the Frog Chorus and Mull of Kyntyre just to see if i can find out what i'm missing.
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Try "Here,There And Everywhere". Lovely song. Lennon said it was MCartney's best work.
 
Dancing David said:
No, Crowley is not the beast, that was a styling to get publicity. Anyone who reads his writings knows that the number is 93 and that there is no anti christ.

So nope, Paul is no Crowley. Not even close.

I am not sure Paul has ever climbed a mountain... or bragged about it.
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Barry Manilow is the antichrist.
 
arthwollipot said:
Exactly.
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I grew up inundated with god, I went to church every Wednesday after school in Elementary. As I got older I started questioning it all.

I first thought I was an atheist, and it later became agnosticism. I don't know what, if anything, created us. I don't think anyone really can know. But my church (Southern Baptist), as I'm sure many other churches do as well, told me that questioning god is the devil grabbing hold. It's not like they beat it into me, but there's residual fear of "What if they're right?".

So yeah, I don't believe in Thor or Allah, I could be wrong about that, but they weren't a part of my childhood.

It's not as easy for me to say "Ah, those are just silly, ancient desert fables." There's always devil rationalization in the back of my head.

I found a documentary called "They Sold Their Souls for Rock N' Roll", it covers satanism and mysticism in the music industry. Surely they can't be making it all up, most of the quotes and article used in the piece have their sources cited.

So many musicians turning to mysticism makes it seem like something bigger's at work here, and Crowley being the biggest influence of it all is even stranger.
 
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calebprime said:
...He doesn't have any special musical abilities that suggest some kind of pact with the devil, or any kind of special superhuman status. ...
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calebprime said:
For someone to write even two good songs is unusual. To write ten is rare. To write dozens of good songs puts you in a special category.

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You seem to have contradicted yourself within a few posts!

(thinks)

Yes, let me see if I can straighten this out.

Despite the repetition of the word special, I'm really talking about two different kinds of standards -- the standards of pop, and world-historical standards.

You'd expect a composer who had demonic, satanic, antichristical, or otherwise superhuman abilities to able to consistently produce absolutely ground-breaking, earth-shattering music in any style or medium he/she chose to work in.

McCartney, by contrast, wrote dozens of good songs in his youth. They really do have good, infectious melodies. Later, although he was obviously the same man, his stuff is still melodic but no longer at quite the same level.

His Liverpool Oratorio relied on orchestration by a collaborator, and wasn't anything that the critics or anyone else raved about.

He's never learned notation or even basic chordal music theory. (I heard that he called a Maj 7th chord "the pretty chord".)

So, basically, good, but not great, beyond a handful of songs. And, not demonically inspired, as in some Faustian pact with the devil.

Nor do his lyrics suggest demonic themes. Either early or late.

There are composers, like Mozart, who were so good that they seemed nearly demonic. And there were composers like Schoenberg, whose music was so weird and difficult for most ears, that it suggested something inhuman. And there were composers like Schubert, who wrote a ton of good songs with very natural melodies, and orchestral pieces with sections of great beauty. That's a different league altogether.

We're not talking about that with McCartney. Just a good young song-writer, and a composer of happy treacle later on. (Speaking generally.)
 
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The early 1960's in Britain was a bit of a grey time.The charts were full of crap like Connie Francis,Bobby Vinton,Frank Ifield,et al. Switching the tv on one evening and seeing the Beatles was a revelation. Not many people knew what R&B was. I am using R&B in it's real sense,not the watered down tuneless soul music that bears the name today. When the Beatles toured Australia,three hundred thousand people thronged the streets of Adelaide and thirty thousand fans turned up at their hotel.
http://eprints.qut.edu.au/9824/
 
wollclark said:
I grew up inundated with god, I went to church every Wednesday after school in Elementary. As I got older I started questioning it all.

I first thought I was an atheist, and it later became agnosticism. I don't know what, if anything, created us. I don't think anyone really can know. But my church (Southern Baptist), as I'm sure many other churches do as well, told me that questioning god is the devil grabbing hold. It's not like they beat it into me, but there's residual fear of "What if they're right?".

So yeah, I don't believe in Thor or Allah, I could be wrong about that, but they weren't a part of my childhood.

It's not as easy for me to say "Ah, those are just silly, ancient desert fables." There's always devil rationalization in the back of my head.

I found a documentary called "They Sold Their Souls for Rock N' Roll", it covers satanism and mysticism in the music industry. Surely they can't be making it all up, most of the quotes and article used in the piece have their sources cited.

So many musicians turning to mysticism makes it seem like something bigger's at work here, and Crowley being the biggest influence of it all is even stranger.
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It is all made up. Nothing strange about it. Don't believe everything you read,especially the bible.
 
wollclark said:
Why would people lie about such a thing?
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'Lie' is such a bad word. There's quite a large middle ground between 'Truth' and 'Deliberate, malicious lie'. People tried to explain things in the only language they knew. Good things happen, bad things happen - there's a natural human tendency to attribute these things to an intelligent agency. It's been demonstrated in very young children, so we know it's an inherent trait. Anyway, there are a LOT of reasons why people try to explain phenomena in religious terms. The issue is that everything that seems to have a supernatural explanation turns out, upon investigation, to be perfectly natural. As the great Tim Minchin put it, 'every mystery ever solved has turned out to be not magic.'
 
wollclark said:
I grew up inundated with god, I went to church every Wednesday after school in Elementary. As I got older I started questioning it all.

I first thought I was an atheist, and it later became agnosticism. I don't know what, if anything, created us. I don't think anyone really can know. But my church (Southern Baptist), as I'm sure many other churches do as well, told me that questioning god is the devil grabbing hold. It's not like they beat it into me, but there's residual fear of "What if they're right?".

So yeah, I don't believe in Thor or Allah, I could be wrong about that, but they weren't a part of my childhood.

It's not as easy for me to say "Ah, those are just silly, ancient desert fables." There's always devil rationalization in the back of my head.

I found a documentary called "They Sold Their Souls for Rock N' Roll", it covers satanism and mysticism in the music industry. Surely they can't be making it all up, most of the quotes and article used in the piece have their sources cited.

So many musicians turning to mysticism makes it seem like something bigger's at work here, and Crowley being the biggest influence of it all is even stranger.
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As a musician and actor the answer is much simpler man.

Superstition.

We artists are a hugely superstitious bunch, and as such, things such as mysticism are hugely popular. But what do you expect when a job requirement is having a huge personality and ego?

And you can couple that with a more pragmatic reason, mysticism is interesting, say your a mystic, and people wonder what you see in it, especially if your someone they look up to. It is a "hook" for lack of a better term, something to generate interest.

You simply looking too deep and seeing things that arn't there. I mean for the love of crap dude, your listening to someone with the SN i am a phoney. Your seeing what you want to see, not what is there.
 
wollclark started this thread with

Paul McCartney is Aleister Crowley.
I'm sure some of you who are familiar with the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy, may be familiar with a user named "iamaphoney".

If not, "iamaphoney" is famous on the internet because he has released many in depth videos about the theory. His main video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsPCQ932vlU) is a movie entitled "The Winged Beatle", named after the Crowley poem compilation entitled "The Winged Beetle". I'm going to list a few things I've noticed and researched from this movie and tell you what I think it means.

1. The video continuously flashes seemingly obscure pictures between scenes, but after slowing the pictures down I discovered they're mainly pictures relating to Thelema and Aleister Crowley.

2. A quote from Aleister Crowley's book "Magick" is mentioned at 18 min. and 6 sec. that gives validity to backmasking.

3. There's one moment (at 18 min. and 55 sec. in the YouTube link) where an overlay is displayed of a young Paul and a young Aleister, they look quite similar, if not exactly the same.

4. The "Love" code mentioned around 52 min. and 37 sec. contains the symbol of a bird in the "O". A similar bird is found here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d3/OTOlogo.png This bird is also flashed many times throughout the movie.

5. The mirrored text AREERA, or ARE3RA is displayed often in this. I found, through a Google translation, so it's not confirmed, that "Are Era" means "Ares (the God of War) was".

6. I believe "iamaphoney" is supposed to mean "lamaphoney" or "Lamaphoney". Lam is supposedly an alien-like figure invoked by Crowley in 1918.

"LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth..." - Aleister Crowley

Its picture is also flashed often in the video: http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

7. This is an add-on to five and six, another name for the Lam being is "Aiwass"
http://drbristol.files.wordpress.com...tney-i-was.jpg

I think the movie is implying that when Paul was killed, the replacement was a reincarnated Aleister Crowley, or the soul of Crowley was somehow transferred to the replacement. Something akin to McCartney being Crowley and vice versa.

Crowley was called "the Beast". The video implies that the truth will be revealed in 2012. Though the implications are already there, videos outside of iamaphoney's channel have flashed images of the Mayan calendar. Whether they come from his other productions, I can't say. On the official site he demands a donation of $6.66 through PayPal to see his unreleased movies.

On one hand, a lot of this theory holds up to me, but I'm gullible. On the other, $6.66 is hokey and makes it seem like a money scam.

What do you think?
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was then asked
speaking of which.....how much of crowley's writing have you read?
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and replied with
None
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move along..nothing to see here :rolleyes:
 
bikerdruid said:
speaking of which.....how much of crowley's writing have you read?
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wollclark said:
None.
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that's a real shame, actually.
besides his seminal works on magick, his fiction is quite delightful.
his novel moonchild and his short stories show a great sense of humour.
i'm a great fan.

plus, his definition of magick is widely quoted:
"magick is the art and the science of causing change to occur in conformity with the will."
 
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