Paul McCartney is Aleister Crowley.

eta: @ wollclark

If you're not serious, then the joke is wearing thin.

If you *are* serious, you need to go talk to a doctor.

In either case, rest assured: There is no antichrist. 2012 has no special significance. Paul McCartney is merely an aging musician who wrote a lot of good songs, and a lot of bad ones. He doesn't have any special musical abilities that suggest some kind of pact with the devil, or any kind of special superhuman status. He's the guy who wrote Silly Love Songs. He would be an odd and unworthy candidate for Antichrist.

You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs.
But I look around me and I see it isn't so.
Some people wanna fill the world with silly love songs.
And what's wrong with that?
I'd like to know, cause here I go again
I love you, I love you,
I love you, I love you,
I can't explain the feelings plain to me, say can't you see?
Ah, she gave me more, she gave it all to me
Now can't you see,
What's wrong with that
I need to know, cause here I go again
I love you, I love you

Love doesn't come in a minute,
Sometimes it doesn't come at all
I only know that when Im in it
It isn't silly, no, it isn't silly, love isn't silly at all.

How can I tell you about my loved one?
How can I tell you about my loved one?

How can I tell you about my loved one?
(I love you)
How can I tell you about my loved one?
(I love you)

me again: If you're serious, start with any doctor you have a relationship with, and tell them what you're thinking. ASAP.
 
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JohnG said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah:rolleyes: Your example proves exactly nothing. I can't stand most of the stuff he's written in the last 30 years, but that takes nothing away from the best of the dozens and dozens songs he wrote in the 60s and 70s (and even some of his more recent songs from the last few years). Anyway, when people talk about the songwriting talents of Paul McCartney, I believe it's generally more for his melodies than his lyrics.
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You are exactly right, sir.

For someone to write even two good songs is unusual. To write ten is rare. To write dozens of good songs puts you in a special category.

Pop music is a young man's game. Songwriters have to branch out from that into other (non-pop) stuff as they get older, or, like Stevie Wonder and McCartney, they go into decline.

The reason is different, I think, than the reason why the best math is done by young people. In the case of math, it's about raw brain power. In the case of pop, it's about the freshness of reinventing the wheel, of discovering for yourself the stuff that you take for granted when you get older -- such as simple chord progressions and what it feels like to fall in love.
 
wollclark said:
To restate my theory plainly, I think Paul McCartney is the anti-christ.
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Well, he'd better get a move on, hadn't he? He's now at the age when most people have retired and taken up gardening. Why wouldn't he have made his move to take over the world when he was at the height of his fame? Geez, I know some people aren't fans of "the cute one" but isn't this taking things a bit far?

As long as we're sharing theories, my theory is that "Christ", "AntiChrist", "Heaven", "Hell" and all the rest were invented and embraced by well-meaning but self-deluding human beings who were afraid of death and offended by the idea of what they view as a meaningless existence. I have endless sympathy for these people but I no longer share their beliefs.

Back in the 80s someone I know once told the whole "Paul is dead" theory to me for about two hours straight. Years later I asked her if she still believed it and not only did she not remember telling me about it she denied ever believing it. The whole "Paul is dead" theory is just a phase some people go through, like not trusting anyone over the age of 30 or writing bad, navel gazing poetry. You'll get over it.

I have no desire to mock you or your beliefs, partly because it seems (as you yourself admitted) that you have some mental problems and partly because I myself know how seductive it can be to "see patterns in things that aren't there"*. I'm an artist who has been trying to construct a new creation myth story and I spend (or waste, depending on your POV) an obscene amount of time going down rabbit holes looking for interesting meanings in the choices I've made in terms of numbers and names I thought I had chosen at random. What I've discovered is that if you search hard enough, you will find what you are looking for, but what you've actually found isn't necessarily what you think you've found.




*To slightly paraphrase a quote from a doctor who shall remain nameless.;)
 
I wouldn't say "nothing", it proves loyal fans will buy anything he churns out regardless of quality.
Any way it wasn't really him, it was his doppleganger.
 
calebprime said:
Pop music is a young man's game. Songwriters have to branch out from that into other (non-pop) stuff as they get older, or, like Stevie Wonder and McCartney, they go into decline.

The reason is different, I think, than the reason why the best math is done by young people. In the case of math, it's about raw brain power. In the case of pop, it's about the freshness of reinventing the wheel, of discovering for yourself the stuff that you take for granted when you get older -- such as simple chord progressions and what it feels like to fall in love.
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A very interesting point that I tend to agree with.
 
beren said:
WHO was this Doctor?



















And what is up with the eye of harmony being in the worng place, half human nonsense, and the snog?
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I have opinions on all of those questions, but this probably isn't the right thread to discuss them;) For identifying the correct episode (as it were) I took the quote from has earned you a whopping 5,000 geek points. Congratulations!
 
wollclark said:
The evidence seems overwhelming. Is it crazy? Most would jump to yes, but the connections are there.
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It's normal to make connections between things, but there are some things that are well-known to send the connection-maker into overdrive.

I'll not ask you which of these fit, but ask yourself.

-Use of hallucinogens (LSD, mushrooms, etc.)

-Use of stimulants (amphetamines, cocaine)

-Sleep deprivation

-Other physical problems that cause stress or lack of sleep (hyperthyroidism, for example)

-Having an active imagination and being immersed in some kind of magical thinking

-Love or its loss (grieving)

-Bereavement

-Neurological problems (head injury or tumors, etc.)

-Schizophrenia

-Possibly even obsessive-compulsive disorder

-Depression

-social isolation


Anyway, it's foolish and irresponsible for us to play doctor, which is why, if this stuff is bothering you, go see a doctor.

Make sure you're sleeping enough, and getting some rest.
 
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wollclark said:
The evidence seems overwhelming. Is it crazy? Most would jump to yes, but the connections are there.
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Sometimes things seem to be connected though, when they really aren't. For example there may be a connection between a series of robberies in my neighborhood and the fact that I can't find one of my socks. Then again maybe there isn't. I've learned after 45 years of experience not to jump to conclusions. For now at least I will assume a coincidence between the two events until I have sufficient evidence to believe otherwise.
 
wollclark said:
6. I believe "iamaphoney" is supposed to mean "lamaphoney" or "Lamaphoney". Lam is supposedly an alien-like figure invoked by Crowley in 1918.
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Or it could have a more literal meaning which would explain everything. :p
 
jargon buster said:
I wouldn't say "nothing", it proves loyal fans will buy anything he churns out regardless of quality.
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Well, there's loyal and then there's loyal. When's the last time one of his albums or singles topped the charts like they did at the height of The Beatles or even Wings? I consider myself a fairly loyal fan (my defense of him in this thread should attest to that), but I own only one album ("Chaos and Creation in the Backyard") that he has recorded in the last 31 years. I don't doubt there are fans who've purchased everything he's ever released, but those are the superfans, not the average person whose purchases are what cause a song or album to top the charts and get played endlessly on top 40 radio stations. The quality of his music has decreased in the last few decades and the drop in sales is an indicator of that. Now of course we all know that popularity is no indicator of quality*, but enough time has passed that we can see the big picture trend of the latter portion of his career and can recognize that despite some bright spots here and there (like the aforementioned "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard"), he's not half the man songwriter he used to be. He is still though twice the songwriter of most of the songwriters whose songs currently top the charts, IMO.

Any way it wasn't really him, it was his doppleganger.
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I believed all sorts of nonsense as a kid and young man but even I wasn't taken in by the "Paul is dead" thing. It really is one of the silliest conspiracy theories of all time, which is saying something. Seriously, to anyone in this thread or any lurkers who have spent more than 30 seconds considering the merits of this theory, there will come a day, whether it's tomorrow or 30 years from now, when you'll realize just how mind-bogglingly stupid the theory is and you'll desperately want to travel back in time and punch your younger credulous self in the throat for believing it.

There needs to be a variation of the "Credo Consolans" ("I believe because it comforts me") fallacy called maybe "Credo Fascinat"(?) ("I believe because it fascinates me"). The tendency to believe in something unreal because it is fascinating is at least as pervasive as believing in unreal things because it is comforting.




*Most of my favorite bands of the last 30 years have rarely (if ever) cracked the top 40 (in America, anyway), so trust me when I say that I don't put a lot of stock in what does and doesn't appear at the top of the charts.
 
bikerdruid said:
that would explain my inability to understand the comment. i have not had tv for many years.
15 million people voting for something, one-off, is hardly equivalent to hundreds of millions of fans over 5 decades.
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Even then, making the comparison as a negative is just a belief that poplular things cannot be good.

Just tell him you were hating bands he never heard of years before now and you'll gain hipster cred. ;)
 
JohnG said:
I have opinions on all of those questions, but this probably isn't the right thread to discuss them;) For identifying the correct episode (as it were) I took the quote from has earned you a whopping 5,000 geek points. Congratulations!
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Where can I redeem these points? :)
 
I believed all sorts of nonsense as a kid and young man but even I wasn't taken in by the "Paul is dead" thing. It really is one of the silliest conspiracy theories of all time, which is saying something. Seriously, to anyone in this thread or any lurkers who have spent more than 30 seconds considering the merits of this theory, there will come a day, whether it's tomorrow or 30 years from now, when you'll realize just how mind-bogglingly stupid the theory is and you'll desperately want to travel back in time and punch your younger credulous self in the throat for believing it.
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errr.....I dont believe it, it was a joke...I cant believe you thought I was serious.
The death of John Lennon was a tragedy, however one good thing came of it, it meant there was no chance of a Beatles reunion comeback tour.

Jeez...Britain's answer to the Monkees.
 
calebprime said:
I think I can help.

First, we add punctuation.

"Fifteen million people voted for The X Factor winner. I take it you (were) one of them."

Googling The X Factor, we see that this is a reference to a Simon Cowell-produced TV show a little bit like American Idol.

Because of the lack of punctuation and the reference to a show where people vote for a singer, the post is probably insulting anyone who likes Paul McCartney. The lack of punctuation indicates an impulsive, "shoot from the hip" kind of tone.

Now, since Paul McCartney really has written a lot of good songs, by any standard (as well as a lot of fluff, by any standard), the justice of the remark must be considered controversial.
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That's well funny.
Sorry for the lapse in grammar, totally unforgivable. I'm glad you've the good grace to point it out. I will now go write and write a hundred times 'i must remember to use the correct grammar when writing on a forum that i think the Beatles are crap'.
 
BobHaulk said:
That's well funny.
Sorry for the lapse in grammar, totally unforgivable. I'm glad you've the good grace to point it out. I will now go write and write a hundred times 'i must remember to use the correct grammar when writing on a forum that i think the Beatles are crap'.
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the problems here have more to do with punctuation than grammar.;)
 
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