Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[MG1962]

Is there any subject that you can't show yourself to be ignorant and ill-informed about?

Just about every Aussies know the role fire traditionally played in forest ecology - you must spent your life stuck in Prahan
This is Kinglake :
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_551/1288342979vlkfTs.jpg

And please explain what any of these rambling have to do with the point raised. On the other hand you probably wont. Such superiority complexes dont lend well with having to deal with those who challenge their superioity

But I will call you out - How much of the original AS 3959 did you write? Cause I know the bits I contributed

 

[Dogzilla]

You really need to coordinate the lies, earlier on this page Dogy claimed the holohoax said a million. So which is it?

Doggy was making a snide inside joke about one witness who claimed he was present when the SS celebrated their one millionth victim. No revisionist, scholar, historian, hoaxter, believer, denier, butcher, baker, or candlestick maker is EVER going to claim that "the holohoax" is unanimous about any specific detail. Especially number of deaths.

 

[Dogzilla]

Well you could start with the Australian continent

I'd rather see the fire starting guide to which you referred that describes burning green wood as a "a pretty simple process."

 

[MG1962]

Doggy was making a snide inside joke about one witness who claimed he was present when the SS celebrated their one millionth victim. No revisionist, scholar, historian, hoaxter, believer, denier, butcher, baker, or candlestick maker is EVER going to claim that "the holohoax" is unanimous about any specific detail. Especially number of deaths.

Well no one actually mentioned the whole holocaust, we are talking about Treblinka - and we have a reasonable count of vicitms...how? German rail records....how about that.

The Germans themselves recorded moving people there. But those silly duffers never recorded where they went after that. Imagine, those naughty naughty Germans

 

[MG1962]

I'd rather see the fire starting guide to which you referred that describes burning green wood as a "a pretty simple process."

Well ya see - I never said that. But anytime you want to see green wood burning, just check Australian news service from around November through to about March each year

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I thought bones were crushed? Did they just not bother or have the time at Treblinka?

Please read the earlier posts quoting eye witnesses.

The graves could never be emptied entirely, because blood mixed with water accumulated at the bottom. Motorized pumps were set up to draw it out. However, they could never manage to drain the bottom few meters, and so the graves were simply covered over.

During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time......Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached

"Look there, at the edge of that hole," said the judge, "these are bones from a child's leg!" One of the Treblinka survivors rushed over. "Be careful!" said another. "There's still some flesh hanging from that leg!"

I have no idea why holocaust deniers don't think there are any bones at Treblinka when conventional historians don't say that. Graf and Mattogno simply don't mention the 20,000 square meters of human ash that Justice Łukaszkiewicz photographed and obtained a forensic opinion as they are holocaust deniers. Holocaust deniers ignore evidence that contradicts their preformed views.

David Irving agrees now that Treblinka II was an extermination camp and sets out the all the evidence. Didn't you know this? Would you like to read David Irving's letter detailing all the evidence to Bradley Smith and why Irving agrees Treblinka II was an extermination camp?

Here is Mattagno & Graf's "holocaust denial" paper on Treblinka.
Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/2.html

Do you agree with their research and the conclusion they make on where the victims of Treblinka were sent to in the east? "Above all, it is entirely unclear where the Jews deported to Treblinka ultimately wound up"...that's their conclusion.....not very useful is it?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

we are talking about Treblinka - and we have a reasonable count of vicitms...how? German rail records....how about that.

Not only that, but holocaust deniers can go to Poland and look at them themselves...
Zabecki decided to give to the judge the originals of the documents which he had taken from the Treblinka station. Shortly after the war the original documentation was deposited at the Siedlce court and copies were taken to the Main Commission Office in Warsaw, where they remain to this day.
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html

Twenty wagons were uncoupled from the train, and a shunting engine began to push them along the spur-line into the camp. A short while later it returned empty. This procedure was repeated twice more, until all sixty wagons had been shunted into the camp, and out again. Empty they returned to Warsaw for more 'settlers'."

 

[little grey rabbit]

And please explain what any of these rambling have to do with the point raised. On the other hand you probably wont. Such superiority complexes dont lend well with having to deal with those who challenge their superioity

But I will call you out - How much of the original AS 3959 did you write? Cause I know the bits I contributed

We all know how much you contributed - exactly the same amount of that "original document" you quoted.

In short, you have a problem with honesty.

Australian bushfires do not burn green wood, which is why a bushfire will burn through and leave the trees standing - but have no problems in reducing a house to ash.

 

[little grey rabbit]

I am sure you will all enjoy this.

This is a postcard that Adolf Eichmann sent from Haifa in 1937

Ueber die radikale deutsche Judenpolitik zeige man sich in national-juedischen Kreisen sehr erfreut, weil damit der Bestand der juedischen Bevoelkerung in Palaestina so vermehrt werde, dass in absehbarer Zeit mit einer Mehrheit der Juden gegenueber den Arabern in Parlaestina gerechnet werden koenne.

[vol.5, page 98]

Roughly translated: concerning radical german policies, Zionist circles appear overjoyed, because the number of the Jewish population in Palestine will be so increased, that in the foreseeable future they can count on having a majority of Jews compared with Arabs in Palestine.

Edit: I see the redoubtable Lenni Brenner had already found that gem.

 

[Dogzilla]

Well ya see - I never said that. But anytime you want to see green wood burning, just check Australian news service from around November through to about March each year

Ooops! My bad. I should've said I'd like LemmyCaution to show me the source as he is actually the one who made that claim. Sorry about that. You guys all look alike to me.

 

[LemmyCaution]

That's a thought. Real historians all say the the same thing because they know the history. How many versions of the Holocaust do the deniers have?

Actually real historians debate many things, including what happened but more often why it happened and how, witness on the Holocaust the Historiskerstreit, the erstwhile debate between functionalists and intentionalists, the tempest in a teapot concerning Goldhagen's thesis, or the differing positions on Browning's "euphoria" concept. The real problem with Negationism is not that there are debates or schools of thought but the opposite: there are no narratives which contend, no coherent views which compete with one another, no real debate--just a grab bag of often mutually contradictory negations without any positive explanatory power.

 

[LemmyCaution]

My fat fingers....

Well pat yourself on the back, you at least in your resource section have the two different documents in their proper months, for now. It was not dated at all and it was not after all dated early September. Still, your new tack is just as hopeless as the one you've apparently abandoned.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Must source fire-starting guides that describe burning green wood as a "a pretty simple process."

The warning to homeowners is probably because trying to burn fresh cut wood results in a slow burning, low temperature fire in which incomplete combustion of the oils in the wood results in out gassing of volatile chemicals which cling to the side of the chimney.

Get real, or use Google. Wroclaw already cited the relevant point.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I'd rather see the fire starting guide to which you referred that describes burning green wood as a "a pretty simple process."

http://www.ehow.com/how_5767790_burn-green-firewood.html

Jesus, anyone with the mental capacity to use Google can find more. In this case typing in "pretty simple process" + "green wood" might have worked. You can try this in the future with other topics.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Ooops! My bad. I should've said I'd like LemmyCaution to show me the source as he is actually the one who made that claim. Sorry about that. You guys all look alike to me.

Well that's odd. I am the one wearing a fedora and with the camera, taking a picture of the chimps, and MG1962, with somewhat unruly hair, looks completely different to that and has no camera. Your powers of discernment and observation do not impress.

 

[MG1962]

Well that's odd. I am the one wearing a fedora and with the camera, taking a picture of the chimps, and MG1962, with somewhat unruly hair, looks completely different to that and has no camera. Your powers of discernment and observation do not impress.

Well to be fair both photos are black and white, and on the left hand side of the page. So I can see why someone like Dogy would become disorientated, especially when trying to argue a point at the same time

 

[MG1962]

We all know how much you contributed - exactly the same amount of that "original document" you quoted.

I didn't quote anything, I linked to the document - Please feel free to put up or shut up. It does not mention Treblinka, it never did mention Treblinka. You waiving your hands in the air and doing a Lindy Chamberlain changes nothing

In short, you have a problem with honesty.

Pot meet kettle

Australian bushfires do not burn green wood, which is why a bushfire will burn through and leave the trees standing - but have no problems in reducing a house to ash.

Off course - I must have been on drugs or something when I saw trees crowning. Oh what was I thinking? Sure you didn't get your degree from Bond University?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Green wood for cremations? It takes two years to dry out. Longer than three years it begins to decay.


Next time you have a pig roast get an extra pig and see how long it takes to cremate it with green wood or the fuel of your choice.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Ah, just trolling, I see.

 

[MG1962]

Ah, just trolling, I see.

Either that or his mummy wont let him boil water