The Truth Movement: Finally, Lost in Space

[Justin39640]

I predict that by 2015 the 9/11 Truth movement will not have proved in a court of law that the WTC towers were demolished using controlled demolition.

I hope to collect my million dollar prize from Randi in 4 years! (sadly I also predict it'll only be worth $500,000 CAN by that time... )

I can read your mind.

You're thinking (ponders)....

that I'm full of crap!

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

 

[alienentity]

Personally I think Nostradamus was closer than any truther has been - he should collect the 1 Million.

 

[Justin39640]

Personally I think Nostradamus was closer than any truther has been - he should collect the 1 Million.

Found this on that:

PROPHECY #10-72 (corrected translation)​

In the year one thousand nine hundred ninety nine, seventh month,

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf, sept mois,

From the sky will come a great Leader of frightening power

Du ceil viendra un grand Roi de-ffrayeur

To resurrect the great King of the Angol-people:

Resusiter le grand Roy d'Angol-mois:

Before and after, war reigns for a good-cause.

Avant apres, Mars regner par bon-heur.



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Nostradamus prophecy #10-72 was actually predicting that in July of 1999, a world leader possessing a frightening amount of power, would arrive out of the sky into a Portugese African kingdom (Angola - Morocco?) to resurrect an African king upon his native throne. And believe it or not, on July 24th, 1999, the world's most powerful leader did in fact arrive out of the sky into the former Portuguese African kingdom of Morocco to witness the resurrection of Prince Hassan onto the throne of his father King Hassan, exactly as Nostradamus had predicted over four centuries earlier. This great world leader then stepped back into his airplane and flew off to Sarajevo to deliver a speech to a group of brave soldiers who'd just fought in a war for the good-cause (bon-heur) of preventing a horrible genocide.

http://www.godswatcher.com/angol.htm



ETA: Crap, sorry for the OT.

 

[Kensington Bailey]

Ah, the daily death of the truth movement, this time proven with rocket science. Impressive. The major flaw here is of course that Mackey pretends that this little circle jerk of a subforum has any relevance anymore and the participation of "truthers" in it is some kind of indication for anything. I for one think twice about sharing any news here these days. Don't want the little inquisitors start calling employers of new voices and the like. So sorry, no input from me. Enjoy the funeral.

Gosh if I pointed out a circle jerk I'd be sure to avoid joining it.

 

[RCory]

is the Truth Movement really dead?

it might not be dead, but it's in more disarray now than it's ever been, and that's saying a lot. Case in point -- David Ray Griffin, one of the messiahs of the movement. In 2009, the guy writes an entire book making the case that OBL is already dead.

Well, after the events of 1.May 2011, you'd think if he were to issue a "press release," he'd have something to say about whether bin Laden was in fact killed as reported. But no, not a word questioning his killing on May 1st. Guess he needs a little more time to sort this out and come up with a theory of how all of this could have been faked. This is all he had to say...

President Obama, speaking of the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, said: “Justice has been done.”

It has been widely assumed that, if bin Laden is now dead, the person most responsible for the 9/11 attacks has been brought to justice. But the US government has never provided evidence that the attacks were carried out by bin Laden and his al-Qaeda organization.

In September 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell promised to provide this evidence, but the next day recanted, saying “most of [the evidence] is classified.”

In October, Prime Minister Tony Blair provided evidence that bin Laden and al-Qaeda planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. But he added:

“This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law.”

The FBI’s acts that made bin Laden a “Most Wanted Terrorist” does not include the 9/11 attacks. The FBI’s chief of investigative publicity explained: “The FBI has been no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

A December 2001 video shows a heavy-set Osama bin Laden boasting about the attacks. But doubts were raised by experts, including Duke University’s Professor Bruce Lawrence, calling the video “bogus.”

Could al-Qaeda have carried out the attacks?

The Washington Post reported that the plane hitting the Pentagon was maneuvered “with extraordinary skill,” but the New York Times called the alleged pilot, Hani Hanjour, “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence.”

The Twin Towers allegedly fell entirely because of airliner impacts, gravity, and jet-fuel fires — there were no explosives.

But 118 members of the FDNY reported massive explosions going off in the Towers.

Scientists for 9/11 Truth views the rapid, symmetrical, straight-down collapses of the Towers and nearby WTC 7 as consistent only with controlled demolition (as documented in my 2009 book, “The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7″).

And 1500 members of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth agree: The 9/11 attacks were not the work of al-Qaeda.

 

[beachnut]

oops

I miss read the second sentence, scanned it as support for DRG already dead junk on UBL.

my bad

Thanks (TRW), I better read slower, and stop watching TV, etc...

 

[TheRedWorm]

Um, Beach... you might want to back off a little. The context of his post seems that he may not be with the TM.

 

[RCory]

oops

I miss read the second sentence, scanned it as support for DRG already dead junk on UBL.

my bad

Thanks (TRW), I better read slower, and stop watching TV, etc...

Considering how foolish the recent events have made him look because they are completely at odds with the claims in one of his books (as if he didn't already look foolish enough), I'm just making the point that DRG's statement is very telling for what it doesn't address.

 

[TheRedWorm]

BTW, welcome, RCory.

 

[RCory]

Um, Beach... you might want to back off a little. The context of his post seems that he may not be with the TM.

I'm not with the TM. I had a rude introduction to it recently when I discovered a family member is a hardcore truther. I've done some research and came across this site. I know people who worked in the towers and the Pentagon. I know a firefighter who did rescue and cleanup at Ground Zero. I did what truthers fear doing, despite their professed desire to get at the truth. I spoke to people who were there about what they experienced, and I listened to what they had to say. Every single claim this truther made to me about the events of that day has proven to be a complete lie.

 

[beachnut]

Considering how foolish the recent events have made him look because they are completely at odds with the claims in one of his books (as if he didn't already look foolish enough), I'm just making the point that DRG's statement is very telling for what it doesn't address.

I agree.

 

[Childlike Empress]

it might not be dead, but it's in more disarray now than it's ever been, and that's saying a lot. Case in point -- David Ray Griffin, one of the messiahs of the movement. In 2009, the guy writes an entire book making the case that OBL is already dead.

A rebroadcast (from late 2009) of DRG making the case for Osama being dead since Dec 2001 was just done here. This farce of "catching Osama" now can only be sold to people who didn't pay attention. DRG just collects the already known facts.

 

[beachnut]

.... DRG just collects the already known facts.

DRG has no facts, he is like CIT, clueless.

 

[Kensington Bailey]

I bought DRG's book, and for a self titled ethicist, I was amazed at the sophistry. I stopped reading it at chapter 3. The abuse he gives the fire chief at the pentagon is outrageous.

 

[R.Mackey]

You and me both. Of course, you can read my analysis of it here.

Literally, not one single phrase was accurate, honest, or complete. And all of it rather straighforward to refute.

Anyway, timer's down to 48 days. It's really looking rather bad for the Truthers.

Also, welcome to RCory. I hear Paul Simon wanted to be like you once...

 

[Childlike Empress]

I'm afraid that was a different DRG book and i'm not commenting on your rationalizations, Mackey, but it's worth remarking that you didn't bring it upon yourself to address me directly and tell me that i'm wrong, so that I would be forced to deliver something new and insightful to stand up to my word. Guess that's too much to ask for.

 

[Baylor]

Why do you think he didn't answer you?

hint: you're on his ignore list.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm afraid that was a different DRG book and i'm not commenting on your rationalizations, Mackey, but it's worth remarking that you didn't bring it upon yourself to address me directly and tell me that i'm wrong, so that I would be forced to deliver something new and insightful to stand up to my word. Guess that's too much to ask for.

Why should anyone in the truth movement to forced to reveal anything new and insightful about their work? Wouldn't they WANT to do that? Wouldn't the inability to think of a single thing that anyone in the movement might doing to make positive progress mean that the movement is dying a slow and painful death?

 

[dafydd]

Why should anyone in the truth movement to forced to reveal anything new and insightful about their work? Wouldn't they WANT to do that? Wouldn't the inability to think of a single thing that anyone in the movement might doing to make positive progress mean that the movement is dying a slow and painful death?

If a truther could come up with a plausible alternative scenario it night revive their moribund movement. They all seem reluctant to provide one. Why is that,CE?

 

[dafydd]

Why should anyone in the truth movement to forced to reveal anything new and insightful about their work? Wouldn't they WANT to do that? Wouldn't the inability to think of a single thing that anyone in the movement might doing to make positive progress mean that the movement is dying a slow and painful death?

Odd that,the use of the word forced. If they had any new evidence or proof you would think that they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The thought processes of truthers are a dark mystery.