Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

I'm not entirely convinced that OBL wasn't assassinated by order. There are a lot of skeletons rattling around that many would prefer kept in their closets.
And there are a number of other possible motivations for not wanting him alive.

It doesn't matter that much either way to me - what's done is done and OBL will never be subjected to a trial or interrogation.
 
Navy SEAL was to Osama, what Jack Ruby was to Oswald.

Keep backpedaling....Unless, of course, the woman may be armed or wearing a suicide vest, in which case caution is quite reasonable.
They were in bed, doing what married couples do. Bin Laden would not want her wearing a bomb vest to bed, in case she misunderstood if he said blow me.

People lift cars off their kids in emergencies; a woman could actually discommode a soldier if she were so inclined.
It is not too much to ask for soldiers, acting in a Law Enforcement capacity, by catching a fugitive of the Department of Justice, not the Defense Department, to not shoot unarmed people who are supposed to be brought to a Justice of the Court.

We need to see the helmet cam videos, so we can judge if there was reason to shoot. But there "happened" to be a malfunction. I'm tired of their lying to the public and taxpayers who funded this operation.

If you don't want to be viewed as a threat, lie facedown on the ground with your hands behind your head. Even that's not guaranteed, if there's a risk of a suicide vest.
If we don't stop this thinking in Pakistan, it will eventually come home to roost. We don't want police stopping old ladies for a traffic ticket, and treating her like she has a suicide vest.

That's like saying social workers need to train firefighters how to remove babies from cribs in fires; their expertise in the matter is under very different conditions.
US Marshals, FBI Agents and cops take on some pretty tough gangs, and manage to bring them in alive most of the time.

who would likely be very glad to become a martyr?
If he wanted to be a martyr that bad he wouldn't be hiding.

Are these hypothetical assailants in my house, which may be rigged up with who-knows-what?
They could have taken their time, surrounded the place, with the help of thousands of soldiers from the PMA down the street who were also looking for Bin Laden. Bomb sniffing dogs could have been sent in.

This was a lynching, and was done secretly from the Pakistan Army because they would have brought Bin Laden in alive, and given him a trial.

No arrest authority in most parts of the world, very little counter-terrorism experience.
There is no authority anywhere to kill unarmed people.

Muslim custom allows sea burial. You've descended to the level of bald-faced denial.

The sacred texts of Islam prefer burial on land, "so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out". However, if a person dies at sea and it is not possible to bring the body back to land before decay, or if burial at land becomes impossible, burial at sea is allowed.

Also, Saudi Arabia didn't want him back, and Christianity, AFAIK, doesn't actually require family to be present.
The Bin Ladens should have the right to see him.

They've been crying he was framed/on ice for years before, why stop now?
I heard that by Dr. Steve Pieczenik on Alex Jones, but find it far fetched that Bin Laden's wives and kids would be staged for all these years.

Call me crazy, but a guy who twice denied taking part in two separate terrorist incidents, then admitted it later, is not exactly a credible witness.
Yes Mr. Crazy :) Bin Laden denied it, and only a falsified video by right handed Fatty Bin Laden, supposedly admitted it.

The main objection I have to this is that the Navy SEAL was to Bin Laden, like Jack Ruby was to Lee Harvey Oswald. He killed the patsy fall guy who was the cover-up for the real perpetrators, before he had the chance to testify in court. So LBJ et al. got away with murder (according to his attorney).

Bush and Cheney had a lot more motivation and power to commit the crimes on 9/11 than Bin Laden. I just don't like to see sneaky murderers get away with it, and pretending to be nice guys.
 
I'm not entirely convinced that OBL wasn't assassinated by order. There are a lot of skeletons rattling around that many would prefer kept in their closets.
And there are a number of other possible motivations for not wanting him alive.

It doesn't matter that much either way to me - what's done is done and OBL will never be subjected to a trial or interrogation.
I suppose it's possible. If so, the Obama administration should have just said so, or not said anything (other than announcing that Usama was dead). I personally have no problem with the mission being a military strike designed to kill a military target. But if so, trying to cover it up could only result in embarrassment for the U.S. when it is inevitably uncovered.
 
I suppose it's possible. If so, the Obama administration should have just said so, or not said anything (other than announcing that Usama was dead). I personally have no problem with the mission being a military strike designed to kill a military target. But if so, trying to cover it up could only result in embarrassment for the U.S. when it is inevitably uncovered.

I should have been more clear, sorry. I meant the kind of order which is classified or otherwise not publicly announced.

The mission has always been to either kill or capture OBL, as long as I can remember.
 
They were in bed, doing what married couples do. Bin Laden would not want her wearing a bomb vest to bed, in case she misunderstood if he said blow me.
I just love the fact that you can't decide whether he's a crippled old man limping around dragging a dialysis machine, or some stud banging his 3 wives all night until 5 in the morning. I love watching a Truther argue. :confused:
 
I should have been more clear, sorry. I meant the kind of order which is classified or otherwise not publicly announced.

The mission has always been to either kill or capture OBL, as long as I can remember.
Oh, OK. Sorry, I should have gathered that from your post.

And yeah, I can see why they might have issued such an order. I would have too. The only reason anyone is even having this discussion is because a SEAL pulled the trigger instead of some drone pilot.
 
It's even more cut and dried in a war. If you don't want to be viewed as a threat, lie facedown on the ground with your hands behind your head. Even that's not guaranteed, if there's a risk of a suicide vest.


If we don't stop this thinking in Pakistan, it will eventually come home to roost. We don't want police stopping old ladies for a traffic ticket, and treating her like she has a suicide vest.


The operation to get Osama results in killing the elderly for speeding?

:explode
 
Even if he did not appear to be armed, bin Laden could have had the pre-arranged capability to do any of the following:

- Trigger a suicide bomb designed to take his attackers with him.
- Trigger a device designed to destroy the data at the site.
- Verbally (either directly or via a remote-monitored listening device) ordered an associate to do either or both of those -- which he could have done even on his knees naked with his hands in the air.

An order to shoot to kill immediately on sight would make those possibilities much less likely -- unless he were prepared with a dead man switch, which was a low risk since the plan was to surprise him in his own territory and not create a lengthy stand-off. I have no evidence that that was the order given, but if it was, that's one reason it could make sense despite that not being how U.S. forces generally treat those enemy individuals who are not renowned for their involvement with IEDs.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Oh indeed. Second-guessing what 'should have' been done from our remote perspectives is not much more than idle chit-chat.
And as Army has pointed out, a missile strike or bomb attack would have rendered this entire discussion moot.

In that case OBL would probably have received a far less dignified burial than the one he received. And for those hypocrites who think it was inappropriate, where were they when the Al Qaeda crew were blowing up innocent civilians in NYC or Madrid? Gimme a break!!
 
No, there was no evidence that the vest was there, post facto. There was evidence before the operation that he might have so, and the SEALs went in with that in mind.

Because people never refrain from turning someone in out of ideology, right?

Again, you can hide a lot of weapons on a human body.

Guns aren't as accurate as you seem to think, especially with a moving target.

Which is not invincible.

They couldn't know he or said wife were unarmed until they had been neutralized and searched. Why do you keep ignoring that? (000063 asked rhetorically.)

Yeah, it's not like he had nine years to protest his innocence in more than a token fashion.

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Source please.

Just as you distort all the possible reasons for his belief, such as a dangerous terrorist being dead.



And the point of using a computer without the internet?
Pong? Scrabble? CAD/CAM? Burglar alarm?

I guess you're too young to have had a computer without the internet. I'm amazed that you think it's unlikely he had one...they are without a doubt the best way to store information are they not? Ya know, harddrives, cd-dvd roms, flash drives and such. He did have a courier after all, which is how we tracked him ya? I guess he couldn't type stuff up on the computer and burn it to disc and have the courier run it to a net cafe or wherever.

Do you not think about this stuff before you post?
 
I just love the fact that you can't decide whether he's a crippled old man limping around dragging a dialysis machine, or some stud banging his 3 wives all night until 5 in the morning. I love watching a Truther argue. :confused:

You know crippled people can have sex, right?
 
Really? I'd bet these young ladies would disagree.

Don't forget Kyra Gracie (BJJ Black Belt) and Gina Carrano (Former Strikeforce Womens' champ - but is more into modelling now). Clayton shows his true colors with his blatant sexism.

How many female suicide bombers have we heard about over the last 20 years?
 
You know crippled people can have sex, right?

You never responded to my post regarding your "Frail Old Man" assertion. And now he's crippled? I didn't know using a walking stick / "cane" classified as handicapped...but then again, you think 54 is old.
 
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We need to see the helmet cam videos, so we can judge if there was reason to shoot. But there "happened" to be a malfunction. I'm tired of their lying to the public and taxpayers who funded this operation.

Perhaps the Seals were busy at the time and the falling corpses knocked a plug loose.
There is no authority anywhere to kill unarmed people.
That's what I said when OBL murdered 3000 innocent people and 10s of thousands of other Muslims.

Muslim custom allows sea burial. You've descended to the level of bald-faced denial.The sacred texts of Islam prefer burial on land, "so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out". However, if a person dies at sea and it is not possible to bring the body back to land before decay, or if burial at land becomes impossible, burial at sea is allowed.The Bin Ladens should have the right to see him.I heard that by Dr. Steve Pieczenik on Alex Jones, but find it far fetched that Bin Laden's wives and kids would be staged for all these years.Yes Mr. Crazy :) Bin Laden denied it, and only a falsified video by right handed Fatty Bin Laden, supposedly admitted it.
Sorry I didn't get a chance to finish reading the above but the ideas are insane idiotic and nutsoid, not you of course just the ideas.

.....I just don't like to see sneaky murderers get away with it, and pretending to be nice guys.
Describes OBL to a T, dead T.


So who do you think killed Sony Bono.
 
We don't have 2 standards for American justice. We either set a high example to the world, or we do not.

Great. So now you think that US forces should be expected to pull over enemy tanks, ask for their license and registration and then read them their rights?

And you wonder why normal people think your movement is composed of retards?

Bin Laden was a military target in a war zone. Deal with it.
 
I assume it would depend on how they were "crippled".

ETA: Congratulations on completely ignoring the point of my post, just so you could ask a stupid question.

You mean this one?:

I just love the fact that you can't decide whether he's a crippled old man limping around dragging a dialysis machine, or some stud banging his 3 wives all night until 5 in the morning. I love watching a Truther argue. :confused:

Your arrogant hyperbolic display seen above? What was the point of that?
 

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