Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
 
The bottom line is:
1. Article II, Section 5 of the US constitution states: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

2. The Constitution never directly defines what a Natural born Citizen is, but the phrase traditionally refers to anyone who is a citizen from birth.

3. The Fourteenth Ammendment Section 1 reads: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." In other words. if you are born in the United States you are a citizen from birth.

4. To provide proof of the parts bolded in my first point, you need to establish your Place of Birth and Date of Birth. Both of which are answered by the Certification of Live Birth Document issued by the State of Hawaii.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
Well in old birther news two birther bills have failed in Tennessee. Link.

Also a man in Wichita attempts to get Obama removed from the 2012 ballot, which has failed...and is unlikely to succeed even when it can be brought up again. Link.
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It would most likely not stand up to any challenges given that the 14th amendment states:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"

It also looks like some parties in the legislature were trying to create another Nullification Crisis, as happened in South Carolina in 1833.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis

What was South Carolina's problem in the 19th Century?
 
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Travis said:
Allow me to summarize.



  • For all previous Presidents a certified copy of the COLB would have been sufficient
  • Now suddenly this document is not sufficient
  • No reason has been provided why it is suddenly not sufficient beyond the fact that those interested are interested
  • Such interest is further justified by the inability for new documents to appear
  • Where this all would stop if this is allowed to continue is not clear
  • Might DNA testing be needed?
  • Stool samples?
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It isn't that the document is sufficient. It is that it is the only legal, certified document issued by the state and therefore recognized as proof of birth in the State. If Obama doesn't have a copy of any form issued prior to the State taking its record electronic than, essentially, no so-called "long form" exists. Any citizen of Hawaii applying for a "certified" state Birth Certificate would get exactly what Obama got. NO DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER.


So, the State is being really clever in this conspiracy by a). making all Birth Certificates seem the same in order to cover for alien-born Obama and b). setting up a system whereby aliens not born in Hawaii can essentially manipulate the system and obtain certified documents that say they were born in Hawaii and c). creating a document and document storage system that will eventually call the birth and citizenship of every Hawaii into question and, fianlly,d). makes all Hawaii state officials issuing this certified document knowingly into perjurors and party to a criminal fraud.

It is a masterful criminal scheme of unprecidented subtlety.
 
Travis said:
Allow me to summarize.



  • For all previous Presidents a certified copy of the COLB would have been sufficient
  • Now suddenly this document is not sufficient
  • No reason has been provided why it is suddenly not sufficient beyond the fact that those interested are interested
  • Such interest is further justified by the inability for new documents to appear
  • Where this all would stop if this is allowed to continue is not clear
  • Might DNA testing be needed?
  • Stool samples?
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Whatever is needed to prevent a black man from being President.
 
I recently had to get a birth certificate because my old one is either long gone or in an attic somewhere collecting dust lol. Interestingly enough it doesn't even have the words "birth certificate", "certification of birth" or "certificate of live birth" on it.

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Mine essentially looks just like this one minus the "certification of birth" text (not sure why it's not there but it's clearly not required). To the birthers my certificate is fraudulent and not satisfactory in establishing my citizenship.

The thought that birthers would call for my releasing a "long form" that I don't have (if I was to run for President and release an image of my BC) when this is the standard form my state hands out, not to mention establishes my citizenship adequately, tickles me.
 
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I'm trying to figure out what birthers think will happen if they do manage to prove President Obama isn't qualified for his office?

Either a) all birthers are really in the employ of the Biden family and are desperately anxious to see Joe Biden in the White House,

or b) birthers have some vague, bizarre notion that if Obama isn't a citizen, that will retroactively nullify his candidacy, thus revising the 2008 election to make John McCain the uncontested candidate.

I can't decide which of these makes less sense.
 
Juniversal said:
I recently had to get a birth certificate because my old one is either long gone or in an attic somewhere collecting dust lol. Interestingly enough it doesn't even have the words "birth certificate", "certification of birth" or "certificate of live birth" on it.

[qimg]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/lebrons-bc-1-med.jpg[/qimg]

Original link

Mine essentially looks just like this one minus the "certification of birth" text (not sure why it's not there but it's clearly not required). To the birthers my certificate is fraudulent and not satisfactory in establishing my citizenship.

The thought that birthers would call for my releasing a "long form" that I don't have (if I was to run for President and release an image of my BC) when this is the standard form my state hands out, not to mention establishes my citizenship adequately, tickles me.
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So, how did your parents smuggle you back from Kenya?

And could you please explain Islam in a little more detail as I don't know much about it.
 
BeAChooser said:
carlitos said:
BaC, Do you live in the United States? If so, have you noticed the HIPAA forms that you receive when you receive medical care? Do you understand why those laws are relevant here?
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LOL! Now you're going to hide behind HIPAA? LOL!
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You didn't really address my points there, did you? I just spent 2 hours on the phone and had to write 2 faxes to get my wife's "consent" in proper written form just to even discuss a certain charge with my insurance company. HIPAA is serious business. I'm not sure why you seem to think that the law doesn't apply to people like the President, or the Hawaii DOH.
 
Juniversal said:
I recently had to get a birth certificate because my old one is either long gone or in an attic somewhere collecting dust lol. Interestingly enough it doesn't even have the words "birth certificate", "certification of birth" or "certificate of live birth" on it.

[qimg]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/lebrons-bc-1-med.jpg[/qimg]

Original link

Mine essentially looks just like this one minus the "certification of birth" text (not sure why it's not there but it's clearly not required). To the birthers my certificate is fraudulent and not satisfactory in establishing my citizenship.

The thought that birthers would call for my releasing a "long form" that I don't have (if I was to run for President and release an image of my BC) when this is the standard form my state hands out, not to mention establishes my citizenship adequately, tickles me.
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Hey, I have one of those too!

*whispers* Were you actually born in Mombasa too?
 
An ongoing project over at Fogbow.com is the collection Birth Certificates, past and present. They are more focused on present day Birth Certificates, but will post past ones to compare.

Some states do allow you to get a "long form version" but some do not offer a choice.

http://www.thefogbow.com/disembodied/states
 
Arizona's Secretary of State has more sense than the idiot lawmakers;

http://www.azcentral.com/video/906109624001


Brewer may just veto it
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/politics/article_1a4ed6f8-67ba-11e0-a5ad-001cc4c03286.html


Mostly based on the fact that any citizen of the state could sue the SoS and state for simply allowing a person on the ballot (should he/she pass the state review) that he/she may not like.



Edit to Add:
Full text of the birther bill:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/hb2177s.pdf



Notice how none of this applies to the office of the Vice President (specifically only targeting the President?) . this bill is a violation of the 12th Amendment as well as the 14th.
 
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Is Obama's Social Security Number a conspiracy theory too?

There seems to be some questions as to the Social Security Number/numbers of President Obama and allegations of fraud.

Should this all be ruled out and dismissed entirely also?

Should anyone in The Press ask any questions about this?

Is this racist?
 
If his Social Security number includes letters and question marks, I think it's definitely worth an investigation.
 
Jude, just admit that you don't like him. Please.

There seems to be some questions as to the Social Security Number/numbers of President Obama and allegations of fraud.
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No its the invention of a moronic dentist/lawyer who has shown that she has no clue about anything in the United States.

There is nothing behind the SSN bull crap being spewed by Orly Taitz. She had a biased investigator (Susan Daniels) search public record sites. Sites that specifically warn people that the search RESULTS may not have accurate information, and that such information is not checked to be true.

She based her entire speculation on three entries for the SSN she searched.

Please read this entire thread before you post a reply:
http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5146

And from the SSA Website:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.
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More on Obama's SSN fraudulent claims:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/05/is-barack-obama-using-some-dead-guys-social-security-number/


By the way, the number that was assigned to Obama has always been his, it never belonged to anyone else. The person they think that Obama "stole" the SSN from, was Jean Ludwig, and on confirmation, HIS number was a TOTALLY different, and not even close to Obama's: 045-26- 8722 (the only similarities here is that Jean got his CT SSN issued in 1951, and he died in 1981 in CA, though his benefits were going to his Hawaii address until his death).

Should this all be ruled out and dismissed entirely also?
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Yes its based on lies

Should anyone in The Press ask any questions about this?
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No they shouldn't.

Is this racist?
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Why are you even suggesting that its "racist" as there is nothing behind the SS claim but showing that Birthers, like how they understand the Constitution, 200 years of case law and certified documents, also know absolutely nothing about public record searches, how the Social Security Administration works, and their misunderstanding of law.
 
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JudeBrando said:
There seems to be some questions as to the Social Security Number/numbers of President Obama and allegations of fraud.

Should this all be ruled out and dismissed entirely also?

Should anyone in The Press ask any questions about this?

Is this racist?
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Yes.

No, unless they want to look like a retard.

Yes, it is covert racism.
 
JudeBrando said:
There seems to be some questions as to the Social Security Number/numbers of President Obama and allegations of fraud.

Should this all be ruled out and dismissed entirely also?

Should anyone in The Press ask any questions about this?

Is this racist?
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Why was this post and thread put here?

Questions regarding Obama's Social Security Number need have nothing to do with any "birther" anything.

Is there any comparable attempted minimizing and hiding of subjects here?
 
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