Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Akhenaten]

You'll pray to a dual-carriageway?

Silly sausage.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

Here's a link to the source file.

Hilarious indeed

 

[Aitch]

Silly sausage.

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Oh. I'd rather have a ...

 

[Akhenaten]

Yes I read the opinion of a priest who also opinions that Jesus' tomb is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem. Other scholars have different opinions.

If all you can be bothered to do is attempt to recycle old, previously refuted nonsense then I guess the old refutations will serve as adequate responses, yeah?


27 March 2010

Heck no; this thread is a fascinating look into the religious psyche. Plus, I have learned more from many of the responders than I have in months of independant study.

One thing I'd like to mention, I know the discussion is not on this point anymore, is that the whole "Empty Tomb" thing, which is often used as the biggest "evidence" for the resurection is entirely ludacris (hey WLC and Lee Strobel: quit portraying yoursleves as skeptics and scholars; you're not fooling anyone but fools). There are, of course, many reasons for an empty tomb that are actually possible (no zombies), but the main thing that is wrong with it is that the empty tomb is just a part of the story that is being doubted. It's like saying, "Well, if Frog & Toad weren's real, then who planted that little garden in front of Frog's house!?" It's absurd; no Jeebus, no Toom. Of course, the only people that have ever been convinced by apologetics are people who already believe, and little kids.

Last night, I watched this week's South Park; I had to laugh when the people would throw up after reading the book the boys wrote. It kind of reminded me of this thread; there have been a few points were I almost threw up on my keyboard.

DOC Quote: (in other words, DOC knows how to copypasta, and has done so here, holus-bolus, but hasn't actually researched anything himself)

Most archaeologists believe Jesus' 1st century tomb is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

Well, that's just a lie. It's such an obvious one that I'm not even going to bother with it.

From the article: "Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem"
Written by Holly Hayes with reference to the following sources:

1. Jerome Murray O'Connor, Oxford Archaeological Guide to the Holy Land (1998), p. 47. Dan Bahat (1986). "Does the Holy Sepulchre church mark the burial of Jesus?"Biblical Archaeology Review 12 (1986), 26–45.

"Unlike many historical sacred sites, which often turn out to be based more on pious tradition than historical fact, most historians and archaeologists say the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is likely to be located over the actual tomb of Christ. The most important supporting evidence is as follows: [1]

Aten knows who's quoting whom there. What a frakking mess.

Anyway here comes the 'evidence', at last . . .

Akhenaten's enreddening

1. In the early 1st century AD the site was a disused quarry outside the city walls. Tombs dated to the 1st centuries BC and AD had been cut into the vertical west wall left by the quarrymen.

The dating of the tombs is based on the fact that they are in the kokh style, which was common in the first century; however, this style of tomb was also common in the first to third centuries BC._{Rachel Hachlili, (2005) Jewish Funerary Customs, Practices and Rites in the Second Temple Period}

The likelihood of a first century tomb being built to the west of the city is brought further into question by the words of the late first century Rabbinic leader, Akiba ben Joseph (quoted in the Mishnah) that tombs should not built to the west of the city, as the wind in Jerusalem generally blows from the west, and would blow the smell of the corpses and their impurity over the city and the Temple Mount._{Bava Batra}

Further still, the tomb would be quite close to the city even if it had been built adjacent to the West wall; yet Akiba remarks that Jewish law insists that tombs should not be built within 50 cubits of a city.

2. The topographical elements of the church's site are compatible with the Gospel descriptions, which say that Jesus was crucified on rock that looked like a skull outside the city (John 19:17) and there was a grave nearby (John 19:41-2). Windblown earth and seeds watered by winter rains would have created the green covering on the rock that John calls a "garden."

Let's just have a little lookie at what John actually says, shall we?

John 19:17 (King James Version)

¹⁷ And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha.

Compatible topograhical elements? Really?

John 19:42-42 (King James Version)

⁴¹ Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

⁴² There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

Gardens created by windblown earth and seeds watered by winter rains? Apparently deserts worked differently in the old days.

All-in-all, I'm tempted to suggest that the 'Gospel descriptions' could be used to locate this alleged tomb to within maybe one or two planets of its actual location, but no closer than that without gobs of imagination.

3. The Christian community of Jerusalem held worship services at the site until 66 AD (according to historians Eusebius and Socrates Scholasticus).

Eusebius claims, in his Life of Constantine, that the site of the Church had originally been a Christian place of veneration, but that Hadrian had deliberately covered it with earth, and built his own temple on top in 135 CE, due to his alleged hatred for Christianity.

What the proto-xtians were doing here, if anything at all, is unclear, but the stuff about Hadrian is just made-up sour grapes.

Hadrian's temple had actually been located there simply because it was the junction of the main north-south road with one of the two main east-west roads and directly adjacent to the forum. The forum itself had been placed, as is traditional in Roman towns, at the junction of the main north-south road with the other main east-west road. The temple and forum together took up the entire space between the two main east-west roads.

Given that the story Eusebius tells us about nasty old Hadrian is pretty much bollocks, one might be tempted to take with a grain of salt the rest of his yarn as well.

4. Even when the area was brought within the city walls in 41-43 AD it was not built over by the local inhabitants.

It was a bloody disused quarry/graveyard when Herod Agrippa moved the Western wall and extended the City. Perhaps the 'local inhabitants' decided on a better place to build their new condos and stuff, given that pretty much anywhere would have been better.

Apart from that, it's no more than sheer speculation what might have been there. The whole shebang was destroyed once in the Jewish Revolt of 70 CE and again during Bar Kokhba's revolt of 132–135 CE.

The only record one way or the other of anything being built there is after 135 CE when Hadrian and the engineers arrived. Anything before that is just part of the fairytale.

5. The Roman Emperor Hadrian built a Temple of Venus over the site in 135 AD, which could be an indication that the site was regarded as holy by Christians and Hadrian wished to claim the site for traditional Roman religion.

This sounds suspiciously like Point 3. again. More Eusebian sour grapes. Completely made-up, in other words.

The idea must have worked for DOC's sources though, since they wanted to use it twice.

6. The local tradition of the community would have been scrutinized carefully when Constantine set out to build his church in 326 AD, because the chosen site was inconvenient and expensive. Substantial buildings had to be torn down, most notably the temple built over the site by Hadrian. Just to the south was a spot that would have been otherwise perfect - the open space of Hadrian's forum.

What??? The 'local tradition of the community' was that of a Roman city. You'd think Constantine, as Emperor, would have had a fair handle on that already. In any case, it was his Mum, the legendary woo-queen Helena that built the thing, not Constantine, and her reasons for doing anything were pretty much with an eye to the tourist trade. She's the one, you may recall, who discovered the True Cross™ during the excavations for the new building.

Gosh! Wasn't that lucky?

I'd be just as inclined to believe that Disneyland was sited for its sacredness as I would for anything that Helena built. Maybe more.

7. The eyewitness historian Eusebius claimed that in the course of the excavations, the original memorial was discovered. (Life of Constantine 3:28)

Let's have a look at at how this 'eye-witness historian', Eusebius, does his thing by looking at an event from Constantine's life which occurred in 312 CE.

Lactantius, whom Constantine appointed tutor of his son Crispus and who therefore must have been close to the imperial family, reports that during the night before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge, Constantine was commanded in a dream to place the sign of Christ on the shields of his soldiers.

Twenty-five years later Eusebius gives us this account in his Life of Constantine.

When Constantine and his army were on their march toward Rome - neither the time nor the location is specified - they observed in broad daylight a strange phenomenon in the sky: a cross of light and the words "by this sign you will be victor" (hoc signo victor eris or). During the next night, so Eusebius' account continues, Christ appeared to Constantine and instructed him to place the heavenly sign on the battle standards of his army. The new battle standard became known as the labarum.

Eye-witness historian, or first-century Steven Spielberg? I know how I'd call it.

Based on the above factors, the Oxford Archaeological Guide to the Holy Land concludes: "Is this the place where Christ died and was buried? Very probably, Yes."

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/i...-sepulchre.htm

Well, I guess they would, wouldn't they, since they were the ones who created 'the factors'?

I find myself singularly unconvinced. You?

Fast forward just over a year . . .

And didn't you read the facts I brought in that show the only reason the Herodian line got to power was because the Romans voted Herod the Great king in Rome and the Roman soldiers help win the battle.

Voted? You do know that the Roman Empire was run by an Emperor, don't you, DOC? (or at least, before the Battle of Actium, by a trimvirate)

It was actually Antony who first appointed Herod, and after Antony met a sticky end at Actium, Herod, being the opportunistic political animal that he was, sucked up to Octavian, ingratiated himself to the Sadducees by establishing the Herodian Aristocracy and starting work on the Second Temple and thus managed to hang on in Judea for 25 years or so.

In any case, so bloody what?

What happened to those soldiers who won the fight? If they stayed in Palestine it doesn't look like Palestine was an iindependent state anymore than Poland was an independent state from Russia during the cold war.

That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet, I guess.

From 37 to 4 BCE Palestine was a client kingdom of the Roman Empire and then it was known as the Iudaea Prefecture of the Province of Syria until the troubles started in 66 CE. For quite some time after that it was referred to in Byzantium as 'the car park' and if Titus Flavius had had some nukes it would have been known as 'glass', but again, so bloody what? What the hell has this got to do with your christian fairytale book?

Gerald Ford really got lambasted when he opinioned during a debate with Jimmy Carter that Poland didn't think it was under the influence of the Soviet Union during the cold war. From memory it turned the tide of that election because Gerald Ford opinioned Poland was an independent state which of course was wrong.

WTF?

 

[Akhenaten]

And there is no evidence that Julius Caesar ever signed anything because we don't have his signature. Does that mean he never signed anything?

Cæsar si viveret, ad remum dareris, Mr Irrelevant. Count yourself lucky.

Also here is a site about the census and Sir William M. Ramsay's findings.

Is he related to the bloke you were yacking on about in this post?

And one of those stories/accounts was written by a great historian (Luke) regarding non-supernatural events (at least according to Sir William M. Mitchell.)

 

[Akhenaten]

Ha lol. That's funny. A pity that the content holder are so ass tighted about copyright.

Well, the copyright holder for the Star Wars theme is SME (Sony Music Entertainment). They aren't notorious for their generosity, but they gave me a pass on it with the following exceptions:

Your video is blocked in these locations:

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If there's a pattern here, it's as obscure to me as DOC's list of tsunami targets.

 

[kmortis]

Well, the copyright holder for the Star Wars theme is SME (Sony Music Entertainment). They aren't notorious for their generosity, but they gave me a pass on it with the following exceptions:

Your video is blocked in these locations:

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Congo - Democratic Republic of, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas), Faroe Islands, Finland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Holy See (Vatican City State), Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macao, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mayotte, Micronesia - Federated States of, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Niue, North Korea, Northern Mariana Islands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Reunion, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Helena, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna, West Bank, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.​

If there's a pattern here, it's as obscure to me as DOC's list of tsunami targets.

I know what the pattern is. They all have letters in their names.

 

[catsmate]

And for the umpteenth time - why is Julius Caesar relevant in this thread?

He's not. DOC only uses him as a distraction occasionally.

 

[welshdean]

Well, the copyright holder for the Star Wars theme is SME (Sony Music Entertainment). They aren't notorious for their generosity, but they gave me a pass on it with the following exceptions:

Your video is blocked in these locations:

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Congo - Democratic Republic of, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas), Faroe Islands, Finland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Holy See (Vatican City State), Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macao, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mayotte, Micronesia - Federated States of, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Niue, North Korea, Northern Mariana Islands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Reunion, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Helena, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna, West Bank, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.​

If there's a pattern here, it's as obscure to me as DOC's list of tsunami targets.

I was about to suggest that they're non-English speaking nations, then I realised that America isn't on the list.

 

[Akhenaten]

 

[catsmate]

And there is no evidence that Julius Caesar ever signed anything because we don't have his signature. Does that mean he never signed anything?

Irrelevant nonsense which has been discussed previously.

Also here is a site about the census and Sir William M. Ramsay's findings.

http://informationaboutgod.com/articles/Jesus/year_Jesus_born.php

That's be the Ramsay who stated that there was n0 evidence the biblical census ever occurred? That Ramsay?

 

[Elizabeth I]

I was about to suggest that they're non-English speaking nations, then I realised that America isn't on the list.

...says the person whose native language uses "w" as a vowel...

 

[Lucian]

"Opinion" is not a verb.

Plus ça change . . .


1 January 2010

I'm just basing my theories off of the analysis provided by the Catholic Jesuit scholar, Father Jerome Murphy O'Connor, who stated that Luke fabricated a story in order to explain why Jesus Birth story.

Actually he didn't opinion he fabricated the story, he opinionated he guessed wrong. Other scholars opinion Luke was not wrong. And for the record Murphy O'Connor also opinionated that Christ's tomb is very likely under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

Oh dear. Apparently I'd managed to block this from my memory. You have to admire the alternation between "to opinion" and "to opinionate" though. As they say, variety is the spice of gibberish.

 

[blobru]

Oh dear. Apparently I'd managed to block this from my memory. You have to admire the alternation between "to opinion" and "to opinionate" though. As they say, variety is the spice of gibberish.

Irrefudiatably.

 

[Rincewind]

...says the person whose native language uses "w" as a vowel...

Don't forget the "y", please....

 

[Rincewind]

Well, the copyright holder for the Star Wars theme is SME (Sony Music Entertainment). They aren't notorious for their generosity, but they gave me a pass on it with the following exceptions:

Your video is blocked in these locations:

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Congo - Democratic Republic of, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas), Faroe Islands, Finland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Holy See (Vatican City State), Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macao, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mayotte, Micronesia - Federated States of, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Niue, North Korea, Northern Mariana Islands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Reunion, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Helena, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna, West Bank, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.​

If there's a pattern here, it's as obscure to me as DOC's list of tsunami targets.

C'mon guys - this is the long-awaited evidence that the NT writers told the truth!

As if Gerald Ford opinionating about Poland and the USSR isn't enough proof already .....

 

[dropzone]

Cæsar si viveret, ad remum dareris....

Don't read the (adopted by thems what knew better) Mother Tongue so well, but I know better than to argue with it. But that demonstrates what a feeb I am.

FTR: This is a practice our near-east ancestors PROBABLY adopted 2000 years ago.

FTR: "If Caesar were alive, you'd be chained to an oar."

Caesar was not nearly as nice as I am.

 

[amb]

Here's something interesting...................

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/04/lawrence_krauss_vs_william_lan.php

 

[dafydd]

...says the person whose native language uses "w" as a vowel...

It's oo. Our language is an old one,yr hen iaith was around long before you lot were running around in Davy Crockett hats.

 

[joobz]

Here's something interesting...................

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/04/lawrence_krauss_vs_william_lan.php

Man, it seems that Craig was taking a page out of DOC's Geisler's book.

Funny how people cling to bad arguments as though they were a warm fuzzy blanket.