Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Yes I read the opinion of a priest who also opinions that Jesus' tomb is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem. Other scholars have different opinions. And didn't you read the facts I brought in that show the only reason the Herodian line got to power was because the Romans voted Herod the Great king in Rome and the Roman soldiers help win the battle. What happened to those soldiers who won the fight? If they stayed in Palestine it doesn't look like Palestine was an iindependent state anymore than Poland was an independent state from Russia during the cold war.

Gerald Ford really got lambasted when he opinioned during a debate with Jimmy Carter that Poland didn't think it was under the influence of the Soviet Union during the cold war. From memory it turned the tide of that election because Gerald Ford opinioned Poland was an independent state which of course was wrong.
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"Opinion" is not a verb.
 
Assuming that jesus existed and were crucified, why would the corpse of some criminal be placed in such a high profile place?

It sounds more like a good place for a church, and the myth added for convenience.

A bit like that monastery in Normandy, a great defensive position that is somehow discovered to be really holy due to some spring or other. It is then turned into a church stronghold. (Nice place, I have been there.)
 
DOC said:
Yes I read the opinion of a priest who also opinions that Jesus' tomb is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem. Other scholars have different opinions. And didn't you read the facts I brought in that show the only reason the Herodian line got to power was because the Romans voted Herod the Great king in Rome and the Roman soldiers help win the battle. What happened to those soldiers who won the fight? If they stayed in Palestine it doesn't look like Palestine was an iindependent state anymore than Poland was an independent state from Russia during the cold war.

Gerald Ford really got lambasted when he opinioned during a debate with Jimmy Carter that Poland didn't think it was under the influence of the Soviet Union during the cold war. From memory it turned the tide of that election because Gerald Ford opinioned Poland was an independent state which of course was wrong.
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How is any of this Evidence That The New Testament Writers Told The Truth?

PS DOC: I'm giving you fair warning: If you ever PM me again, I'll post your PM here for everyone to see.
 
Lothian said:
No DOC. The bottom line is there is no evidence of a census. The only place a census is mentioned at that time is the NT. This thread is about evidence. This is another example of a story in the N.T. that has no evidence.
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And there is no evidence that Julius Caesar ever signed anything because we don't have his signature. Does that mean he never signed anything?

Also here is a site about the census and Sir William M. Ramsay's findings.

http://informationaboutgod.com/articles/Jesus/year_Jesus_born.php
 
DOC said:
Yes I read the opinion of a priest who also opinions
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The word you are looking for is "opines", and that isn't just my opinion.
DOC said:
that Jesus' tomb is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem.
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His argument for Luke's Lie is quite compelling. Your rebuttal is Juvenile and devoid of intellectual merit.
DOC said:
And didn't you read the facts I brought in that show the only reason the Herodian line got to power was because the Romans voted Herod the Great king in Rome and the Roman soldiers help win the battle. What happened to those soldiers who won the fight? If they stayed in Palestine it doesn't look like Palestine was an iindependent state anymore than Poland was an independent state from Russia during the cold war.
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That's a huge if, don't you think?
Regardless. There is NO RECORD of a census and requiring people to travel for a census is nonsensical. So, your point is moot.

DOC said:
Gerald Ford really got lambasted when he opinioned
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opined.
DOC said:
during a debate with Jimmy Carter that Poland didn't think it was under the influence of the Soviet Union during the cold war. From memory it turned the tide of that election because Gerald Ford opinioned
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opined.
DOC said:
Poland was an independent state which of course was wrong.
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While an interesting story, it has Jack and squat to do with King Herod and Rome.
 
DOC said:
And there is no evidence that Julius Caesar ever signed anything because we don't have his signature. Does that mean he never signed anything?
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Tom

Also here is a site about the census and Sir William M. Ramsay's findings.

http://informationaboutgod.com/articles/Jesus/year_Jesus_born.php[/QUOTE]
We have continuing records for Roman Censuses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor
from 508 BC to 14 AD. There was none at Jesus' birth.

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Bible scholars have traditionally sought to reconcile these accounts; while most current scholars regard this as an error by the author of the Gospel of Luke,[6] thus casting doubt on the Historical reliability of the Gospels.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius
 
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This'll end well.
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"This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds". :(
 
DOC said:
And there is no evidence that Julius Caesar ever signed anything because we don't have his signature. Does that mean he never signed anything?
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No one is claiming we have evidence of Julius Caesar's signature.

Also here is a site about the census and Sir William M. Ramsay's findings.

http://informationaboutgod.com/articles/Jesus/year_Jesus_born.php
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Don't bother. I have read Ramsay's book. Despite years of study in the region he found no evidence that there was a Census at that time.
 
Lothian said:
No one is claiming we have evidence of Julius Caesar's signature.
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What was the method of authorising and authenticating documentation at the time? There are much more recent documents that are unsigned. In the medieval period a seal was used instead (e.g. Magna Carta).
 
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Thank you my Pharaoh. :)
It gets me dreaming of a "Life of Brian" with teeth. (And zombies)
 
I wonder if this tread will get to 500 pages before any evidence is presented that the gospelers wrote the truth ? I'm not holding my breath. :p
 
I bow to your genius oh Pharoah!

My eyes have been opened, and hence forth I shall pray to the Aten.
 
Lucian said:
"Opinion" is not a verb.
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Plus ça change . . .


1 January 2010

DOC said:
joobz said:
I'm just basing my theories off of the analysis provided by the Catholic Jesuit scholar, Father Jerome Murphy O'Connor, who stated that Luke fabricated a story in order to explain why Jesus Birth story.
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Actually he didn't opinion he fabricated the story, he opinionated he guessed wrong. Other scholars opinion Luke was not wrong. And for the record Murphy O'Connor also opinionated that Christ's tomb is very likely under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.
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