Who started both World Wars?

[Uzzy]

Until Spring 1941 Hitler was reluctant in fullscale retalliation for the bombing of civilian targets in Germany because he hoped, against better knowledge, he could reach an understanding with the British.

London was bombed for 76 consecutive nights starting on 7th September, 1940. Many other cities suffered heavily.

 

[MG1962]

Why would the Nazi want to point out the truth? It seems counter productive to his goals.

Which is pretty much how it works here. Post dribble, ignore counter arguments for a few days, come back, claim victory, rinse and repeat.

It is clear that he is now at the level of 911 truthers in terms of the rigor of his arguments. I can only presume he was a touch surprised to come across so many people so well versed in events surrounding the 1st half of the 20th Century.

 

[Craig4]

Unfortunately for you that "truth" is a steaming pile of crazy. Rather like the theories you offer in this thread.

If the 9/11 truthers/liars were good enough to actually do anything they would have by now.

 

[9/11-investigator]

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, kicking European arse since 1588 and still going strong
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/#cite_note-12

You are right about the murderous Europe-destroying intentions and abilities by teaming up with the worst criminals in history. But my gut-feeling tells me that their time is up. The worst thing imaginable happened to these islanders: a united Europe, combined with terminal decline of Anglosphere. Heck even demographer Steve Murdock, a former director of the US Census Bureau, says that two-thirds of Texas children are Hispanics and concludes: "It’s basically over for Anglos.". Parts of the US are reverting to Mexico. No Zimmermann telegram necessary this time.

In my modest estimation the historic bell tolls for the British. Expect Scotland and possibly Wales to say goodbye to the union and go Europe-direct.

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq0KNfS_M44

Nice video that makes one rather modest about the existence of 'eternal boundaries'...

 

[MG1962]

In my modest estimation the historic bell tolls for the British. Expect Scotland and possibly Wales to say goodbye to the union and go Europe-direct.

500 years and going strong. The Dutch had their big chance, but proved gutless when the bullets were to fly. You can talk the talk 911 - but when it comes down to it, ya got nothing.

Europe has whined on an off about Britain for 500 years...what have you done about it.................nothing

DeGaulle whined about the British what did he do...............exactly what Churchill told him to..........cause like all the other chest thumping whinners, when it comes down to actually doing anything......it never happens

 

[Craig4]

Modest estimation is right.

 

[dafydd]

500 years and going strong. The Dutch had their big chance, but proved gutless when the bullets were to fly. You can talk the talk 911 - but when it comes down to it, ya got nothing.

Europe has whined on an off about Britain for 500 years...what have you done about it.................nothing

DeGaulle whined about the British what did he do...............exactly what Churchill told him to..........cause like all the other chest thumping whinners, when it comes down to actually doing anything......it never happens

We saved the Dutch from Nazi occupation,you'd think that Nein 11 would be grateful. They weren't that gutless,there were brave Dutchmen who joined the Underground and fought against Nein's heroes. They would be thoroughly ashamed of him.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Wel, you are right to say there is more to the story. Hitler did think of the Brits as more on their level and would have gladly made peace or even an alliance with them and the Germans were shocked at the Brit's refusal to do so. The British empire was sacrificed on the their unwillingness to compromise with Hitler. There is no doubt about that.

Oh, and Europe was handed over to Soviets and Americans and subjected to a civilization destroying ideology called 'multiculturalism'.

Additionally, we and the Brits allied ourselves with a worse monster than Hitler, namely Stalin and communism. We did so because we viewed Hitler as a greater threat that Hitler and so consigned millions in eastern Europe to communism and misery and for many, death and torture. No one should kid themselves. We are responsible for hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths and we did it out of our sense of self-interest.

Your willingness to be reasonable is heartwarming but it does not go far enough in a long stretch. You are not Jewish yourself by any chance? Morals were never an issue for the Anglos, it was about expansion and nothing else.

Old 1940 pecking order:
1. Europe, 2. USA, 3. USSR

New 1945 pecking order:
1. USA, 2. USSR, 3 Europe

From this it becomes obvious why the USA and USSR were allies and why the British were the Dummies with a capital 'D'.

I do take exception to the whole idea we did it because the Jews controlled London, etc,

Nobody says that. The real instigation for exploiting the local conflict between Germany and Poland, which in reality was about Danzig, the corridor and the persecution of Germans in Poland and not about 'starting a world war' as conventional Anglo 'wisdom' wants to have it... came from Washington. The struggle in Britain was between the Chamberlain faction (who did not really wanted war) and an agressive minority centered around Churchill, Vansittard and Duff Cooper. It was Hitler who more or less 'stabbed Chamberlain in the back' by invading Prague. Although I am not too impressed by the 'injustice' of Hitler's actions (CZ was a fake state, invented by the Anglos in Versailles to cripple Germany, had never been independent from Germany or Habsburg-Austria and Prag always had been Germanish, even once the capital of the German Reich in the middle ages and home of the first German university ever). By breaking his word Hitler made Chamberlain impotent within British politics.

....that really smacks of a bit of not only antisemitism but plain irrational thinking.

There we go again. If person A hits person B and person B complains that the Jewish person A has hit him, person B is accused of anti-semitism. Welcome to the New World Order, with the Jews as their Holy Cows, Those Who Cannot Be Named.

If the Jews were and are so smart to accomplish something like that but obviously also relatively benign in not ushering us into gas chambers, maybe we should encourage them even more! I mean these folks are wonderful. They can rule the world even when put into gas chambers and discriminated against, denied jobs and college acceptance based on their ethnicity.

They seem to be much superior to the Aryans. Why not just submit to them?...

You are implicitly assuming that these smart Jews are always concerned with the best interests of the gentiles. Nothing could be further from the truth, as any Russian aristocrat cannot confirm because of gruesome events right after 1917. And millions others with them.

Of course, Jewish folks aren't really discriminated against any more here in America and the whole thing here is just something in the past.

Hmmm, and why would that be? How can you be so certain? What is it about the 'human condition' that has made them invulnerable against the many actions against them in the past, always for a reason?

They have not yet been confronted with their stealing the FED from the American population, their role in initiating communism, their role in the destruction of Germany in 1918 (Balfour deal), their role in bringing WW2 about, their invention of the holo-tale, their role in the assassination of Hitler admirer JFK and their role in opening up the American borders for mass immigration from the 3rd world (leading to it's inevitable downfall, probably in this decade), and of course them plotting 9/11. Some even accuse them of organizing the Armenian genocide.

That's quite a rucksack full of bad karma, would you not agree?

 

[MG1962]

We saved the Dutch from Nazi occupation,you'd think that Nein 11 would be grateful. They weren't that gutless,there were brave Dutchmen who joined the Underground and fought against Nein's heroes. They would be thoroughly ashamed of him.

I am actually not refering to that - In the day William of Orange had the chance to take England down. The Spanish turned up with a fleet, 40,000 soliders and enough seige equipment to take out Instanbul - William suddenly remembered a prior engagement and buggered off

I am definately getting tired of the slander, especially when it is comming from some who's country did exactly the same thing. Who's country was given 50% of the world to own and cherish and exploit as they please

Which apparently is a good thing....because the Dutch and not the English did it

There is a reason the saying "Dutch courage" is in the English language but not as a compliment

 

[MG1962]

Old 1940 pecking order:
1. Europe, 1. Great Britian 2. USA, 3. USSR

Fixed that for you. Britian was not part of Europe, so dont try riding their coat tails to glory. People might think you know nothing about history otherwise

 

[9/11-investigator]

500 years and going strong. The Dutch had their big chance, but proved gutless when the bullets were to fly. You can talk the talk 911 - but when it comes down to it, ya got nothing.

You silly boy. The Dutch were the only ones (unlike Philips II, Napoleon or Hitler) who managed to invade and conquer Britain since a period of more than 600 years and fought their way northwards up to the Boyne river in Northern Island. Next they used the resources of Britain to succesfully keep the expansionist French king LouisXIV in check. Until this very day everywhere in Britain are yearly festivities commemorating the invasion of these Blond Gods.

Europe has whined on an off about Britain for 500 years...what have you done about it.................nothing

As an inhabitant of the former penal colony you are excused to not have noticed that a United Europe has emerged under de facto economic leadership of Germany counting 500M inhabitants, including the United - if you can't beat them, join e'm - Kingdom.

DeGaulle whined about the British what did he do...............exactly what Churchill told him to..........cause like all the other chest thumping whinners, when it comes down to actually doing anything......it never happens

BS. De Gaulle managed to keep the British out of Europe for as long as he lived and instigated, together with another Good European, Konrad Adenauer, the European Union. The next step will be to incorporate Moscow into this setup, realizing de Gaulle's vision of l'Europe des Patries. By that time, Anglosphere will have committed suicide and will be nothing more than a sad memory. BTW, I believe that Australia has a Euro-quote of 70% (all aging)? So, Happy Untergang to you as well.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Old 1940 pecking order:
1. Europe, 1. Great Britian 2. USA, 3. USSR

Fixed that for you. Britian was not part of Europe, so dont try riding their coat tails to glory. People might think you know nothing about history otherwise

It is true that Britain had acquired most 3rd world territory, but the French, Spanish, Dutch, Portugese and Belgium empires had considerable size as well. But hey, we are talking about 'pickaninies' (Churchill's choice of words), Canadians and Australians here, they are easy targets.

Military spoken these British are extremely small fellows, they never had anybody like Napoleon or Hitler, the real heavy lifters of history. The Germans had to fight Russians, French, Americans and oh yes British (5% of war effort, USSR-80%, USA-15%), being outnumbered 1:6. And they would have won, were it not that they accidently were allied with these Italian suckers. The Italian incompetent handling of their invasions of Africa and Balkans lead to a delay of several months of German operations in Soviet Russia and were halted merely 60 miles before Moscow due to the winter. Occupation of Moscow would have lead to the dissolution of the USSR, to the greater benefit of the world and Poland in particular. Allas, the Anglos prevented that scenario from happening, happily handing over Eastern Europe, including Poland, to the USSR. We all remember that the liberation of Poland was the alleged reason for declaring war on Germany. That was another Anglo lie. The British are only suitable for drawing lines in Africa ('country'), 'gloriously advancing towards the channel', bombing civilians from safe altitude, kicking testicles to let German prisoners sign holo-statements in English or losing soccer matches.

But you are right, I should not have counted Britain as European, it's Europe's black hole. Silly me.

 

[MG1962]

You silly boy. The Dutch were the only ones who managed to invade and conquer Britain since a period of more than 600 years

Sorry you left out the bit about being invited...odd that

and fought their way all along to Boyne river in Northern Island.

Well some of them did - less than 1 in 4 soldiers on the Dutch side were Dutch. Lucky you had so many English and Scots to save you

As an inhabitant of the former penal colony you are excused to not have noticed that a United Europe has emerged under de facto economic leadership of Germany counting 500M inhabitants, including the United - if you can't beat them, join e'm - Kingdom.

They begged Britian to join....but thats history so you would know little about it

BS. De Gaulle managed to keep the British out of Europe for as long as he lived

No the British left when they were good and ready, after saving France from the Germans. Most French people were rather grateful, DeGaulle's ego would not allow him to admit he did not single handedly save the world from Nazi tyranny. Most of the world just laughed at him...politely of course in case he threw a hissy fit and banned the export of Camembert cheese to the offending nation

By that time, Anglosphere will have committed suicide and will be nothing more than a sad memory. BTW, I believe that Australia has a Euro-quote of 70% (all aging)?

Correct - and thats why we are so well versed in history. Many who came to settle on our shores lived through the history you are trying to make up

 

[MG1962]

Military spoken these British are extremely small fellows, they never had anybody like Napoleon or Hitler,

Oh I see - you are doing a Charlie Sheen. Most clever of you. So how did it end for Napoleon? Didn't Arthur Wellseley write a book about that. "How I fixed Napoleon's hemmeroids" Or maybe it was "Waterloo the ultimate face palm"

And Hitler....yeah about that. Living in a hole in the ground till you blow your brains out. All class I tell ya...all class.

But you are right, I should not have counted Britain as European, it's Europe's black hole. Silly me.

And coming from the place that invented the Eurovison Song contest. I think that says a lot more about European culture than Britian's geographical state

 

[9/11-investigator]

Sorry you left out the bit about being invited...odd that

But you are not going to tell us what that might be, right? Because Anglos don't like to talk about the Dutch invasion of Britain.

The 1688 invasion of Britain that's been erased from history.

Crowds gathered on the white cliffs of the English coast to watch. But they were not cheering with pride and pleasure - because the display of naval power and military might they were witnessing was not theirs. This armada was not an English one. It was from Holland and it was about to invade these shores... But a new book by Professor Lisa Jardine, one of our most eminent academics, turns this picture of cosy regime change, handed down to us for the past 300-plus years, on its head. For the truth is that this transition of power was not a matter of choice. A warring William was coming, whether he was welcome or not - as that battle fleet massing out in the Channel showed all too clearly... This was a task force with only one intention - to conquer. No wonder the crowds on the English clifftops were silent. They were watching the first invasion of this island since 1066. The Protestant King William of Orange triumphed over the Catholic forces of King James II on July 12, 1690... William of Orange did what, over the centuries, the Spanish with their armada, Napoleon and Hitler would all, in their time, attempt and fail to achieve - the conquest of Britain.

Then comes an ugly truth:

From early in 1688, he was secretly recruiting battle-hardened soldiers from Protestant armies across Europe and arranging gifts and loans from sympathetic bankers to pay for them.

That's where the Jews come in, they financed the operation, no strings attached (Sefardic Jew Francisco Lopes Suasso from The Hague paid an insane amount of money for the operation: 2 million guilders). Oh, just a minor favor: the right to establish a central bank in Britain. Small beer, really. That's what started the rise of the Jew in Britain, financial preeminence, with which you can buy political influence. The rise of the Jews is coupled to the Dutch invasion and where the harder headed Dutch (and Germans) were able to resist the Jews (to a large extent), the British, just like the Russians and Americans, were not. Let alone Australians. The rise of the Jews in Anglosphere went via Holland. The Jews piggy-backed into both Britain (William III) and America (despite Stuyvesant).

The British tolerated their ageing king's unpopular religious preference in the belief that it would die with him.

In the end of the day it were the Dutch who imposed their religion on Britain. In this sense (and many others) Holland and not Britain is the true spiritual founding father of America and not just because they founded Nieuw Amsterdam (later stolen by the British). The American Declaration of Independence is a merely copy of the centuries older Dutch Akte van Verlatinghe.

They begged Britian to join....but thats history so you would know little about it

It was the other way around!!! They were never 'begged'. They managed to sneak in 5 years after De Gaulle's death.

No the British left when they were good and ready, after saving France from the Germans. Most French people were rather grateful, DeGaulle's ego would not allow him to admit he did not single handedly save the world from Nazi tyranny. Most of the world just laughed at him...politely of course in case he threw a hissy fit and banned the export of Camembert cheese to the offending nation

The French delcared war on Germany and got what they deserved. The French still believe the stories dreamed up by the alllies. That's going to change.

Correct - and thats why we are so well versed in history. Many who came to settle on our shores lived through the history you are trying to make up

I think that China will take you over, either softly or Japanese, 1941-style, once the US will be no longer around to protect you.

 

[Craig4]

Oh I see - you are doing a Charlie Sheen. Most clever of you. So how did it end for Napoleon? Didn't Arthur Wellseley write a book about that. "How I fixed Napoleon's hemmeroids" Or maybe it was "Waterloo the ultimate face palm"

And Hitler....yeah about that. Living in a hole in the ground till you blow your brains out. All class I tell ya...all class.



And coming from the place that invented the Eurovison Song contest. I think that says a lot more about European culture than Britian's geographical state

Odd the Nazi would call two leaders shown to be inferior to their enemies as great military leaders.

 

[MG1962]

But you are not going to tell us what that might be, right? Because Anglos don't like to talk about the Dutch invasion of Britain.

The 1688 invasion of Britain that's been erased from history.


Then comes an ugly truth:

Oooops ya did it again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beachy_Head_(1690)

It was the other way around!!! They were never 'begged'.

Oh I see - two days after you invade, the country you invaded, supplies 30,000 troops for a battle then joins forces with the invading navy's fleet to fight a third party.............yeah right

The French delcared war on Germany and got what they deserved. The French still believe the stories dreamed up by the alllies. That's going to change.

The French believe the dribble DeGaulle fed them - remember DeGaulle was French - and a bad one at that

I think that China will take you over, either softly or Japanese, 1941-style, once the US will be no longer around to protect you.

Well I hope it is 1941 style cause we all know how that worked out

 

[9/11-investigator]

Odd the Nazi would call two leaders shown to be inferior to their enemies as great military leaders.

They both managed to make it all the way to Moscow and the rest of the world was needed to bring them down.

'Inferior'? What a silly thing to say for an American who can be beaten by any 3rd world nation like Vietnam, Somalia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oooops ya did it again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beachy_Head_(1690)

Article has yet to be written!

Oh I see - two days after you invade, the country you invaded, supplies 30,000 troops for a battle then joins forces with the invading navy's fleet to fight a third party.............yeah right

I thought you said that Europe begged Britain to become member of the EC. What are you talking about?

The French believe the dribble DeGaulle fed them - remember DeGaulle was French - and a bad one at that

What on earth are you meaning with saying that de Gaulle was a 'bad Frenchman'?

Well I hope it is 1941 style cause we all know how that worked out

You have no chance against 1.3 billion people with an higher average IQ than Australians.