Who started both World Wars?

[MG1962]

You have no chance against 1.3 billion people with an higher average IQ than Australians.

Well then they're smart enough not to bother invading a place that is 75% desert.

 

[MG1962]

I thought you said that Europe begged Britain to become member of the EC. What are you talking about?

Try and keep up. Remember you are supposed to be significantly smarter than me

 

[9/11-investigator]

Try and keep up. Remember you are supposed to be significantly smarter than me

You are confused:

I said:

As an inhabitant of the former penal colony you are excused to not have noticed that a United Europe has emerged under de facto economic leadership of Germany counting 500M inhabitants, including the United - if you can't beat them, join e'm - Kingdom.

And you responded:

They begged Britian to join....but thats history so you would know little about it

We were clearly talking about the EC/EU. You mixed it up later with 1688/glorious Revolution. Please try to stay awake!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Well then they're smart enough not to bother invading a place that is 75% desert.

25% of an entity of roughly the same size of China is still attractive. And they have enough man power to irrigate a lot more. I am afraid the Chinese will have no choice. Lebensraum and stuff.

 

[Craig4]

I am definately getting tired of the slander, especially when it is comming from some who's country did exactly the same thing. Who's country was given 50% of the world to own and cherish and exploit as they please

Relax. It's beyond the Nazi's power to make anyone who matters believe him. I doubt he even believes most of it.

 

[Wroclaw]

Well, he was a socialist. That's marxist enough for me.

So, do you like that free healthcare the Netherlands is giving you?

Utter baloney. You know as well as I do that the target was not Norway but the blockade of the port to prevent shipment of essential iron ore, as the British government docs I linked to clearly show and as you now reluctantly seem to admit. And that blockade is an act of war against Germany, period.

No, the blockade is an act of war against NORWAY. Big difference.

OK. So now all of a sudden Glasgow was the target all along. So I assume that the Germans started bombing the place on day one they occupied Norway, right?

They bombed it throughout the war, actually, but Scapa Flow and Aberdeen were also already targets.

Wrong. The first bombing of Glasgow took place one year later, when the British bombing campaign against Germany was already in full swing, which demolishes your argument completely.

You have an odd sense of debating and logic. When we here repeatedly mention that the British maintained (and still do) a major naval base as Scapa Flow in the Orkneys and you don't address it, you appear quite the loser.

Why should I help my opponent making his case? Do it yourself. So far you are doing a lousy job.

So where is the material to back up your silly claim that Germany invaded Norway to use it as an unsinkable aircraft carrier?

All over the place, quite frankly.

The reasons given are not mutually exclusive.

Did you know the Kriesgmarine considered the war unwinnable in '40 without Norway?

 

[Wroclaw]

But you are not going to tell us what that might be, right? Because Anglos don't like to talk about the Dutch invasion of Britain.

The 1688 invasion of Britain that's been erased from history.

Right, so anyone that studies political philosophy in the English language studies John Locke, usually right after Thomas Hobbes, who picks up from Machiavelli. This is the earliest stuff you read in the modern (post-1475) tradition. So I'm going to assume that anyone that's read political philosophy to any significant extent knows Locke. I think that's a fair assumption, and please correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, is there anyone here who read Locke and wasn't taught about the Glorious Revolution of 1688 alongside Locke's Second Treatise?

And, furthermore, can our Dutch friend tell us who William III's uncle was at the time of the 1688 invasion? And who Mary II was, for that matter?

 

[randman]

9/11, has it occurred to you even if someone were to accept so many of your revisions of history, some may be true but others are not (pretending the final solution wasn't real for example, that most Jews are not conspiring together against you?

No, I am not Jewish but this hatred is irrational and demonic. Let's say some wealthy Jewish bankers have been conspiring. Let's just assume for a moment you are right, and in collusion with others like the Rockefellers or whomever.

All that would be is some Jewish families along with European families seeking to control things and make money through the banking system. That doesn't mean the entire Jewish community is in on it. Nor that they are all agree politically.

Furthermore, it's the fault of others they had to go into banking in the first place. It was considered a dirty business and they were persecuted, and so they went into banking and have done very well.

Who is to blame for that?

I am more from the Austrian school of economics and don't like central banking and see right now where the FED is fleecing us to save the government and financial institutions. But we voted the people in that are doing that. We voted for the powers that be, not the Jews primarily. So in a lot of ways, it's our own fault.

Spreading hatred of Jews based on their merely being Jewish is wrong. If you don't like the Rothschilds, fine. Don't like them, but you are deluding yourself with all this Jew-hatred and it's wrong.

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://20thcentury-blog.blogspot.com/2011/03/timeline-ww1-ww2.html

I have added all the Scheil stuff to the WW1/WW2-timeline.

Next I will continue with Buchanan and Schultze-Rhonhof.

 

[Corsair 115]

SYou have an odd sense of debating and logic. When we here repeatedly mention that the British maintained (and still do) a major naval base as Scapa Flow in the Orkneys and you don't address it, you appear quite the loser.

It's also odd how he says the bombing campaign against Germany "was in full swing" considering that the Butt report in 1941 showed that RAF bombing raids were more of a threat to German cows than German civilians since most raids weren't bombing anywhere close to their assigned targets.

Bomber Command's fortunes didn't change until Harris took over. Even then it took awhile for new procedures to be implemented, better navigational technologies to created and used, and more effective bombers (Halifaxes and especially Lancasters) to become available in force.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So, do you like that free healthcare the Netherlands is giving you?

I don't, since I make too much money. But I have to pay taxes to pay for the health care of all those muslim invaders. A social researcher, Pieter Lakeman, in his book 'Entering without knocking', has calculated that the average Dutchman has to work 1 month per year to pay for the consequences of mass immigration (hand-outs, increased crime, police, prisons). And that was 1999, it is likely worse now.

No, the blockade is an act of war against NORWAY. Big difference.

It is an act of war against both Norway and Germany.
But you can't admit then, because then your story of German agression lies in tatters.

They bombed it throughout the war, actually, but Scapa Flow and Aberdeen were also already targets.

Scapa Flow, Scapa Flow... According to Zionist-friendly editted wikipedia all we learn from Scapa Flow in the context of WW2 is:

Early in World War II, on 14 October 1939, U-47, under the command of Günther Prien, penetrated Scapa Flow and sank the World War I–era battleship HMS Royal Oak anchored in Scapa Bay.[4] Her second torpedo attack blew a 30-foot (9 m) hole in the Royal Oak which, as a result, flooded and quickly capsized. Of the 1,400-man crew, 833 were lost. The wreck is now a protected war grave. After the attack, Winston Churchill ordered the construction of a series of causeways to block the eastern approaches to Scapa Flow; they were built by Italian prisoners of war held in Orkney. These "Churchill Barriers" now provide road access from the Mainland to Burray and South Ronaldsay, although they block maritime traffic.

Three days after this submarine attack, four Luftwaffe Junkers Ju 88 bombers raided Scapa Flow in one of the first bombing attacks on Britain during the war. The attack badly damaged an old base ship, the battleship HMS Iron Duke, with one bomber shot down by an anti-aircraft battery on Hoy.

Ummm, so Scapa Flow was bombed on October 17, 1939. I repeat: October 17, 1939!!! You are not going to tell us that this raid was carried out from Norway, right? So the Germans did not need Norway at all to reach Scapa Flow. Second, your wikipedia makes no mention at all of bombing raids in 1940 or later! So could you please give us the date(s) of German bombing raids carried from Norway? thanks in advance.

You have an odd sense of debating and logic. When we here repeatedly mention that the British maintained (and still do) a major naval base as Scapa Flow in the Orkneys and you don't address it, you appear quite the loser.

I have this feeling that you are going to be the loser of this Norway-was-invaded-to-carry-out-bombing-raids-on-Britain-baloney.

All over the place, quite frankly.

Fine, since it is 'all over the place' it should be easy for you to give us a reference to that material.

To the lurkers: Wroclaw is lying through his teeth; he knows as well as I do that there is no such material. This is going to be good!

Did you know the Kriesgmarine considered the war unwinnable in '40 without Norway?

How do you know that? Give as a reference to that consideration.

To the lurkers: Wroclaw is moving in a mine field now, He is completely caught in his lies.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It's also odd how he says the bombing campaign against Germany "was in full swing" considering that the Butt report in 1941 showed that RAF bombing raids were more of a threat to German cows than German civilians since most raids weren't bombing anywhere close to their assigned targets.

Bomber Command's fortunes didn't change until Harris took over. Even then it took awhile for new procedures to be implemented, better navigational technologies to created and used, and more effective bombers (Halifaxes and especially Lancasters) to become available in force.

Here is a detailed overview of bombing on both sides:

http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/filmbeitrage-uber-die-luftwaffe-t297129/

 

[R.A.F.]

To the lurkers: Wroclaw is lying through his teeth...

You can't even maintain a rational argument, and you have the audacity to try to tell others what they should think?

Boy, you sure have a high opinion of yourself...too bad that same opinion isn't shared by those you talk down to.

 

[Corsair 115]

Here is a detailed overview of bombing on both sides:

http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/filmbeitrage-uber-die-luftwaffe-t297129/

That's a message forum post. Hardly what one would call an authoritative and referenced source. You know there's the things called libraries that are filled with these things called books. These books were written by authors who often took many years of painstaking effort to research the topic being written about and compiling the numerous original sources used.

But you give us a message forum post—a badly formatted one at that. And then try to claim it's a "a detailed overview of bombing on both sides." There's vastly more detail in one chapter in one of the books sitting on my shelf. (Which, incidentally, I have cited in some of my previous posts earlier in this thread.)

If your attempt at supporting your argument was intended to make you look astoundingly foolish, then mission accomplished!

 

[9/11-investigator]

You can't even maintain a rational argument, and you have the audacity to try to tell others what they should think?

Boy, you sure have a high opinion of yourself...too bad that same opinion isn't shared by those you talk down to.

Rather than moralizing me you could try to rescue your pall Wroclaw, who is in dire straits, due to his own fault.

Are you aware of any German bombing raids targeting Scapa Flow from Norway, obviously after their invasion of Norway?

Because if you and Wroclaw can't produce this data, your story of German unprovoked agression is in tatters. And that's not good for your Washington-NWO agenda.

Now good luck with your rescue operation.

 

[9/11-investigator]

That's a message forum post. Hardly what one would call an authoritative and referenced source. You know there's the things called libraries that are filled with these things called books. These books were written by authors who often took many years of painstaking effort to research the topic being written about and compiling the numerous original sources used.

But you give us a message forum post—a badly formatted one at that. And then try to claim it's a "a detailed overview of bombing on both sides." There's vastly more detail in one chapter in one of the books sitting on my shelf. (Which, incidentally, I have cited in some of my previous posts earlier in this thread.)

If your attempt at supporting your argument was intended to make you look astoundingly foolish, then mission accomplished!

You somehow doubted that the alllied bombing campaign was in full swing. An said something incoherent about cows, not that surprising from someone from your culture circle, heehaa!

I claim that the post given is sufficient in detail to illustrate that there was indeed an alllied bombing campaign going on before the Germans dropped some bombs on Glasgow.

Refering to dead tree books located on your bookshelf is outright silly on an internet forum.

 

[Wroclaw]

I am far from in dire straits. I routinely make a bitch out of you in this forum and you know it.

Hey, let's play analogies:

United States Pacific Fleet is to Pearl Harbor as British Navy North Atlantic Home Fleet is to ______?

 

[9/11-investigator]

I am far from in dire straits. I routinely make a bitch out of you in this forum and you know it.

Hey, let's play analogies:

United States Pacific Fleet is to Pearl Harbor as British Navy North Atlantic Home Fleet is to ______?

You are cornered.

Are you aware of any German bombing raids targeting Scapa Flow from Norway, obviously after their invasion of Norway? After all you claimed the Germans invaded Norway so they could more easily bomb Britain. And you mentioned Scapa Flow. So, don't be evasive. Just admit that wikipedia says there were no raids on Scapa Flow after the invasion. Otherwise give us a date of a raid on Scapa Flow.

Should be easy for you since you claimed that material about the German attacks launched from Norway was 'all over the place, quite frankly'.

Oh, and while you are at it, give us some quote from historians, or better original German documents stating that the real intention of the Germans was to transform Norway into an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Well?

 

[Wroclaw]

You suppose, wrongly, that the situation was not fluid.

In fact, Scapa Flow was raided as Norway was being invaded.

Some coincidence, eh?

I never said there was only one reason for Germany occupying Norway. You did.

 

[MG1962]

Scapa Flow, Scapa Flow... According to Zionist-friendly editted wikipedia all we learn from Scapa Flow in the context of WW2 is:


Ummm, so Scapa Flow was bombed on October 17, 1939. I repeat: October 17, 1939!!! You are not going to tell us that this raid was carried out from Norway, right? So the Germans did not need Norway at all to reach Scapa Flow. Second, your wikipedia makes no mention at all of bombing raids in 1940 or later! So could you please give us the date(s) of German bombing raids carried from Norway? thanks in advance.

Oh look....wikipedia comes to rescue. Then again it is only as good as the idiot I mean human interface attempting to use it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenock_Blitz

I have this feeling that you are going to be the loser of this Norway-was-invaded-to-carry-out-bombing-raids-on-Britain-baloney.

Using your prefered reference point (other than your own blog)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_26

Fine, since it is 'all over the place' it should be easy for you to give us a reference to that material.

See above

To the lurkers: Wroclaw is lying through his teeth; he knows as well as I do that there is no such material. This is going to be good!

squirm little boy

To the lurkers: Wroclaw is moving in a mine field now, He is completely caught in his lies.

Ahh huh - cause you are always sooooo right. It must be tough to live with yourself at times. alway perfect dealing with us pions ruining your perfect little fantasies