Who started both World Wars?

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I see here that the British historian A.J.P. Taylor agrees with me that Hitler never had a wish for a great war, let alone for a world war. Good for him.

http://www.dandebat.dk/eng-taylor3.htm

Interesting question arises, so who did want the world war, because we had one?

Anybody an idea?

Send in your answers and the lucky raffle winner will win a free ticket for a holocaust museum in a village nearby.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
According to my informants the map originates from an English magazine from the end seventies, probably from the marxist historian A.J.P. Taylor (not really a neo-nazi), who was discussing 'Hitler as a strategist'. That is all I have.
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Taylor was not a Marxist.

However, do understand this: Your "informants" do not constitute sources.

But you do realize that mining and blocking neutral ports to harm country A is an act of war against country A, more than enough to justify an invasion.
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Mining the ports or blocking them would be a crime against the country that owned the ports. Ergo, were it done, it would be a crime against Norway and NOT Germany.

Now can you provide is with official documents or if you don't have them, give an expose from a credible historian (Taylor will do) who support your phantasy that the Germans invaded Norway merely to save some fuel on their way to bomb a handful of Scots in an irrelevant place like Aberdean.
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No part of Scotland was irrelevant. Glasgow, in particular, had heavy industry. And, as pointed out several times and you've not responded, the Orkneys host a major naval base.

Wroclaw pretending that he has seen no documents indicates how cornered he is. But he can't admit that the alllies started the agression because that demolishes their precious stories. Again, these stories are not going to survive the internet. Boohoo.
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Wow. You're really f*cking obnoxious, aren't you?

Wikipedia is a Zionist controlled site. I want real historians or even better original German documents, just like I gave you from the British government, clearly showing their agressive intent.
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One time you show a document and now you're some kind of expert? Please.

The Wikipedia article cites sources. Go find them. Fetch, boy!
 
9/11-investigator said:
Who owns most of the American media?
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The shareholders, of course. Provided the company is publicly traded, which the vast majority of them are, they are for sale every freaking day. But rather than consolidate capital and purchase a piece of the pie, Jew-hating knuckle-draggers would rather bitch and moan.
 
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And yet another document concerning the Norway case:

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z339/Gerard1945/400219.jpg

Admit it Wroclaw, you are defeated.
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Not really.

Again, for those with short attention spans or brain damage: I never said that England didn't have a concern about German access to steel. There was, after all, a war on.

However, two points remain: (1) It was still rather wise for Germany to invade Norway to get bases from which it would be easier to hit Scotland, as well as control the North Atlantic, which, until the U.S. entered the war, they did; and (2) Germany had no right to intervene militarily in Norway for any reason whatsoever. It was a neutral country. Unless Norway asked Germany to come to its defense, Germany was not within its rights to invade.

Note that this does not mean that England was within its rights either.

Lest it be said that Norway did invite Germany to intervene, remember where the Norwegian government in exile was based...
 
9/11-investigator said:
I see here that the British historian A.J.P. Taylor agrees with me that Hitler never had a wish for a great war, let alone for a world war. Good for him.

http://www.dandebat.dk/eng-taylor3.htm

Interesting question arises, so who did want the world war, because we had one?

Anybody an idea?

Send in your answers and the lucky raffle winner will win a free ticket for a holocaust museum in a village nearby.
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The fact Hitler did not want "world war" and thought England would go along with his plans to expand eastward and take over the Soviet Union does not mean the Jews engineered WWII.

Get real.

Why does this all come back to Jew-hating?

It makes no rational sense. Can you try to explain it to me? Seriously, most of the Jewish people I have known have been wonderful.

What has a Jew ever done to you?

Survive the holocaust?

If the Jews were so powerful, why could they not convince Roosevelt to let them in?

You are correct there is more to WWI and WWII than many realize, and it's worth correcting simplistic assumptions. But there is no defense for "the final solution" regardless.
 
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Wroclaw said:
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Taylor was not a Marxist.
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Well, he was a socialist. That's marxist enough for me.

Mining the ports or blocking them would be a crime against the country that owned the ports. Ergo, were it done, it would be a crime against Norway and NOT Germany.
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Utter baloney. You know as well as I do that the target was not Norway but the blockade of the port to prevent shipment of essential iron ore, as the British government docs I linked to clearly show and as you now reluctantly seem to admit. And that blockade is an act of war against Germany, period.

No part of Scotland was irrelevant. Glasgow, in particular, had heavy industry. And, as pointed out several times and you've not responded, the Orkneys host a major naval base.
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OK. So now all of a sudden Glasgow was the target all along. So I assume that the Germans started bombing the place on day one they occupied Norway, right?

Wrong. The first bombing of Glasgow took place one year later, when the British bombing campaign against Germany was already in full swing, which demolishes your argument completely.

The Wikipedia article cites sources. Go find them. Fetch, boy!
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Why should I help my opponent making his case? Do it yourself. So far you are doing a lousy job.

So where is the material to back up your silly claim that Germany invaded Norway to use it as an unsinkable aircraft carrier?
 
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9/11-investigator said:
...when the British bombing campaign against Germany was already in full swing, which demolishes your argument completely.
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That page is so full of errors and nonsense one hardly knows where to start. I refer back once again to my earlier posts (which you have still not as yet refuted in any way).

I suggest reading Albert Speer's memoirs as he devotes an entire section to the effects the strategic bomber offensive had on Germany's ability to produce the materials of war. As Minister of Armaments he was in a position to know exactly its effects were. He also comments upon the mistakes the Allies made that resulted in Germany's situation being less difficult than it might have otherwise been.

But of course you won't read nor accept it as it completely contradicts the fantasy you've constructed in your head...
 
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MG1962 said:
Nicely pointed out in post #4663 - where he describes 10,000 Dutch citizens killed by allied bombing as sheer hooliganism and Europe-hatred-in-action

But ignores the 170,000 Dutch killed by Europes hero in waiting Hitler

And then we could mention operation Manna and operation Faust where the nasty Britsh who hate Europe bombed...yes bombed starving Dutch people with a 11,000 tons of food to try and stop them starving to death

But then again I am wasting my breath dealing with someone who seems to look forward to the potential death of 300 million people with a real sense of relish
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Why would the Nazi want to point out the truth? It seems counter productive to his goals.
 
randman said:
The fact Hitler did not want "world war" and thought England would go along with his plans to expand eastward and take over the Soviet Union does not mean the Jews engineered WWII.

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My theory is that Neine has watched far too many episodes of Mission Impossible. He sees Jim and his team of circumcised agents going in and spreading dis-info and suddenly WW2. No one realises they have been set up.
 
Look, the Nazi believes that there's going to be a massive economic crisis in the world, similar to the 1920's/30's which will allow someone (we assume him using his freakish and sick blog as his version of Mein Kampf) to lead a massive revolution, targeting Jews and this time immigrants (though his misunderstanding of economics leads him to think this is a good idea). The Newly ascendent China is his version of Japan which he as a leader of Europe will enter into an agreement with and wage war on the US and England this time with a non communist Russia behind him.

Think about this, when you address the Nazi directly (which I no longer do). You're talking to someone who wants to be Hitler. This is a person who wants to kill millions of people. Maybe I'm wrong and he doesn't want to be Hitler himself (though I think I'm right here). He might want to just put the dog collar on himself and hand the attached leash to his new Hitler like master. Either way this is someone who doesn't see the death of millions (or billions with nuclear weapons) as a negative outcome.
 
Wroclaw said:
Oh, I did read this at Wikipedia:

You have yet to respond to this. Or is it your opinion that Goering's Luftwaffe would have been unable to see the value of bases in Norway?
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It is true that maybe 1 year later these Norwegian airstrips were used to launch a rare bombing raid on sad rainy hell holes like Aberdeen, but that does not mean you can reverse the reasoning and assume that this was the motivation of invading Norway in the first place. It was not.

You have yet to show me a German or British document or a mainstream Anglo historian who supports your insane idea in which you do not even believe yourself.

Until Spring 1941 Hitler was reluctant in fullscale retalliation for the bombing of civilian targets in Germany because he hoped, against better knowledge, he could reach an understanding with the British. We already saw that the British government had a list of 16 attempts by the Germans for peace before Barbarossa, culminating in the flight of Hess to Scotland. Germany was forced to invade Norway to prevent being strangled by the alllies. Germany had 2 weak spots: iron from Narvik and oil from Ploesti, Romania. Without any of them Germany woud be finished and subjected to an even harsher Versailles 2.0. (and that's what happened anyway).

But now it is 2011, we have the internet, so you can read the historic truth on a monitor near you, without interference of media Jews, and we have the EU of 500 million. And I have a new story to offer, thanks to Buchanan, Scheil and Schultze-Rhonhof and many others. ;)

I leave it to your imagination as to what the consequences are going to be for you and your pals and your position in the Western power structure.
Think Enron stock.
 
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Craig4 said:
Look, the Nazi believes that there's going to be a massive economic crisis in the world, similar to the 1920's/30's which will allow someone (we assume him using his freakish and sick blog as his version of Mein Kampf) to lead a massive revolution, targeting Jews and this time immigrants (though his misunderstanding of economics leads him to think this is a good idea).
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Yes, there is going to be a massive permanent crisis, world wide, not because of 'Nazis' (whatever that might be in 2011 without Versailles and 'Jewish communism' around) but because the world runs out of resources. Even prominent Jews understand that their globalization pet project is over. I don't think Jews are going to be targeted, at least not in Europe, not so sure about the US, especially when the truth about 9/11 comes out. But when we know that Marine le Pen is leading in the polls for the French presidential elections, when we know that even 50% of the lame British could consider voting extreme right-wing, when we observe the meteoric rise of Geert Wilders in Holland, then we know something is brewing. We have seen the implosion of Czecho-Slovakia, the devolution of Scotland, the civil war in Yugoslavia, Belgium on the brink of falling apart, we even see a civil war in Lybia between competing ethnic factions... all clear indications that multi-ethnic states don't work. This phoney idea is still kept alive by the US and their leading Jewish class and their community worker from Chicago as a 'president', since they are still aiming for a borderless world without nation states, local identity. But that's a world only interesting for Jews and third worlders, not for Europeans, Russians, Japanese and Chinese. And not even for a majority of white Americans. And now that the US is imploding before our eyes, we know for sure that the Washington-NWO is going to fail big-time, just like the Moscow-NWO failed.

The Newly ascendent China is his version of Japan which he as a leader of Europe will enter into an agreement with and wage war on the US and England this time with a non communist Russia behind him.
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We Europeans are not going to wage war against the US, but we might come to the aid of the Euro-America when the US will turn into 'road block country' and landgrab for American territory will start after the inevitable race war will start in the US and the US will be invaded from all sides (most importantly Mexico and China)

Think about this, when you address the Nazi directly (which I no longer do)...
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Because you are intellectually not up to it?

You're talking to someone who wants to be Hitler. This is a person who wants to kill millions of people.
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Sigh. Hitler did kill maybe hundreds, foremost Nazi's within the SA. The rest was war effort. Regarding the holo-tale, can you give me one name with proof of somebody who was gassed?

Maybe I'm wrong and he doesn't want to be Hitler himself (though I think I'm right here).
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I am flattered as to the historic significance you attribute to me!

He might want to just put the dog collar on himself and hand the attached leash to his new Hitler like master. Either way this is someone who doesn't see the death of millions (or billions with nuclear weapons) as a negative outcome.
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I challenge you to come up with a quote where I intentionally advocate the slaughter of millions, you insinuating madman.
 
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