I works around that.
You sure does Humber. You just keeps working around stuff, there ya go, easy fella.
I works around that.
The motion of an object is defined by its centre of mass. That moves ddw.The hub of the propeller follows the same path as the cart. The blades of the prop follow a longer spiral path, and work is done turning the prop to accomplish this. So your objection appears to be baseless.
It's your assumptions. I could do it another way. Load cells are electrical.I can understand how the treadmill works. I don't take it on trust. If a 90kg man stands on a set of bathroom scales, it should read 90kg. If he places the scales (which weigh, say, 1kg) on top of another set of scales and climbs on top, the top set of scales will read 90kg and the lower set of scales will read 91kg.
The article is about bathroom scales on hard or carpeted surfaces. Please explain your leap of logic which has led you to believe that it means that stacked scales will only read a fraction of the weight upon them. Are you assuming the scales have a carpeted upper surface?
The motion of an object is defined by its centre of mass.
Right. He is right. It's not about the scales.The extraordinary "stacked scales" theory started out on TalkRational. Yevgheni (the other staunch opponent of the downwind cart, who posted here as "Christoph"), was desperately trying to find reasons why the cart on the treadmill could act differently to the cart on the road. He came up with the idea that the normal force on a treadmill would be less than that on the road. He even claimed to have tested this idea himself with bathroom scales. I explained to him that there is no way that the normal force could be different, and gave him the reference of the New Scientist article to show how the accuracy of bathroom scales can be affected by the surface they are placed on.
Humber jumped in to tell us that if you put one set of scales on top of another, each will read half because "the displacement of the spring is divided between the two":
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=1189410#post1189410
It's worth reading some of the discussion from that post onwards, to see some really weird bits of the humberverse. From the way humber is now acting it's pretty clear that he's realised that his simple statement that "each will read half" was a mistake, but he's never, ever going to admit it.
Instead, he now claims that it is possible to make the scales do that, but it's "far from simple" to achieve. But he's not going to show us how to achieve this effect, because he is obviously incapable of making it happen.
I could do it another way. Load cells are electrical.
I could arrange for the way they are stacked to operate hidden switches,
and then spin you a yarn.
Thanks. I think that clears the matter up - humber did make a basic error and can't admit it.The extraordinary "stacked scales" theory started out on TalkRational. ...Humber jumped in to tell us that if you put one set of scales on top of another, each will read half because "the displacement of the spring is divided between the two":
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=1189410#post1189410
It's worth reading some of the discussion from that post onwards, to see some really weird bits of the humberverse. From the way humber is now acting it's pretty clear that he's realised that his simple statement that "each will read half" was a mistake, but he's never, ever going to admit it.
Instead, he now claims that it is possible to make the scales do that, but it's "far from simple" to achieve. But he's not going to show us how to achieve this effect, because he is obviously incapable of making it happen.
If you think I am lying, even after I have given you the rudiments of its operation, yet you can't say why even that is wrong, the more complex remainder ( the control mechanism) is going to fly even higher over your head, isn't it?
The motion of an object is defined by its centre of mass. That moves ddw.
The centre of mass of a tacking boat does not move ddw.
Mark Drela, a supposed supporter of ddwfftw, has written many papers on propellers and not one of them mentions the idea of tacking. He is not alone.
I do not think you are lying, I know you are lying. A double lie actually since you also said that others have not tested it.
Others NOT tested it?
Buy a simple cart like this. Put it in your pocket and experiment at the supermarket checkout. It takes nothing to stop it moving with the belt.
Here is mine. Cost 1 Euro. I already knew the answer, but I tested it to see what I may have missed, and to try to explain it on the forum. None of the Carteers bothered to repeat the test.
Funny stuff Humber. Why don't you have someone help you test your theory. A baseball bat might help too. Hint: Wear a helmet.
I assume you think the shape of a propeller has no affect whatsoever, it could be completely flat and it would have the identical thrust performance, correct?
Utter fabrication. Post one.His papers all mention the idea of tacking,
Confabulation. Post one.just as all other texts about props do.
Oh, that's a good one. Physics book do not explicitly state that faeries do not exist.It is not explicit because the word tacking is from sailing and because it is completely obvious. Show me a text book on stochastic analysis which mentions the idea of addition or defines the + sign.
The extraordinary "stacked scales" theory started out on TalkRational. Yevgheni (the other staunch opponent of the downwind cart, who posted here as "Christoph"), was desperately trying to find reasons why the cart on the treadmill could act differently to the cart on the road. He came up with the idea that the normal force on a treadmill would be less than that on the road. He even claimed to have tested this idea himself with bathroom scales. I explained to him that there is no way that the normal force could be different, and gave him the reference of the New Scientist article to show how the accuracy of bathroom scales can be affected by the surface they are placed on.
Humber jumped in to tell us that if you put one set of scales on top of another, each will read half because "the displacement of the spring is divided between the two":
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=1189410#post1189410
It's worth reading some of the discussion from that post onwards, to see some really weird bits of the humberverse. From the way humber is now acting it's pretty clear that he's realised that his simple statement that "each will read half" was a mistake, but he's never, ever going to admit it.
Instead, he now claims that it is possible to make the scales do that, but it's "far from simple" to achieve. But he's not going to show us how to achieve this effect, because he is obviously incapable of making it happen.
Utter fabrication. Post one.
Oh, that's a good one. Physics book do not explicitly state that faeries do not exist.
Please explain your leap of logic which has led you to believe that it means that stacked scales will only read a fraction of the weight upon them.
Then it's up to you to learn how that may be done. ( The solution is far from simple)
humber said:Put one set of scales on top of the other, and each will read half. The explanation is that the displacement of the spring is divided between the two.
What do you mean by "the solution is far from simple"? It sounds very simple here:
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=1189410#post1189410
And how it thrust calculated By Spork in the submission?Clarify Humber, was your link meant as a yes answer to the question that the shape of a prop is irrelevant?
And where is the mention of a tacking force?
I tell you what I am getting. That the cart, the TM and the trial are as fabricated as your claims.Now you're getting it.
yes, I've found that electricity from nuclear power plants heat up an equipment room faster than electricity from hydro-electric schemes. Must be the water-cooling potential of the hydro.Poor A.T forgets that the power at the wall socket doesn't start there.
You will be surprised at the number of systems engineers who think it does, and then wonder why the equipment room gets hot.

No, I was just asking if this is the "far from simple" solution:Oh, so slowly grasping at the remaining straws.
humber said:Put one set of scales on top of the other, and each will read half.