How can a nuclear power plant create a hydrogen explosion?

[Anders Lindman]

Speaking of evidence, do you have a link to that study? Was it replicated?

I don't remember where I read about the experiment. I found some info about this (although I haven't checked if that particular experiment is mentioned):

http://python.rice.edu/~arb/Courses/610_06_hbr/610_06TrustYourGut.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...1lXp63&sig=AHIEtbQ5lte5eE8Oox4HQXsdASA13MRkDw

 

[DGM]

It's not speculative, it is a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.

This is fundamental chemistry.

See now, that's your problem. To understand this you need to use "special" chemistry. Think outside the box man!

 

[ZirconBlue]

Now that we're all health-conscious and trying to avoid trans-fats, I think that all the hydrogen that used to be stored in hydrogenated fats was being sent to Japan for storage. They disguised the hydrogen storage facility as a nuclear power plant because who wants a hydrogen storage facility in their back yard?

 

[dudalb]

I now think we are being treated to some kind of wierd performance art.....

 

[tsig]

"If you can't explain it to a 6 year old then you really don't understand it yourself." — Albert Einstein

Try explaining it to us then.

 

[LashL]

Several posts have been moved to Abandon All Hope. Stick to the topic of this thread - which is not AIDS - and keep it civil.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Anders Lindman]

Try explaining it to us then.

The idea that the atom bomb is a hoax is related to the topic of this thread but I have already posted about it in other threads. That conspiracy theory I actually believe in to some extent. The conspiracy theory that nuclear power plants in reality are water power plants is a way more speculative idea to me. Of course, if true, it would really be a BIG lie. A monstrously big lie involving having an entire uranium mining industry mostly for show.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Definitely Poe

 

[jargon buster]

The conspiracy theory that nuclear power plants in reality are water power plants is a way more speculative idea to me.

My mate works at Heysham Nuclear power station and he says, quite frankly, you are talking nonsense .

 

[Anders Lindman]

My mate works at Heysham Nuclear power station and he says, quite frankly, you are talking nonsense .

Yes, the idea of nuclear power plants being water power plants is highly speculative. It's just that I like to examine even some extreme conspiracy theories. To push the envelop to the border of the absurd (hopefully not beyond that ).

 

[jargon buster]

It's just that I like to examine even some extreme conspiracy theories. To push the envelop to the border of the absurd

I notice you dont post in the freeman on the land sections, is that because its too absurd even for you?

 

[Anders Lindman]

I notice you dont post in the freeman on the land sections, is that because its too absurd even for you?

I haven't seen the freeman on the land sections. Is that about conspiracy theories too?

 

[jargon buster]

I haven't seen the freeman on the land sections. Is that about conspiracy theories too?

Oh its a whole new world of stupid, those guys believe in FMOTL when there is absolutly zero evidence of it existing.
Most conspiracies have some basis for belief, FMOTL has none at all.
Get yourself over there, you should enjoy it.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Oh its a whole new world of stupid, those guys believe in FMOTL when there is absolutly zero evidence of it existing.
Most conspiracies have some basis for belief, FMOTL has none at all.
Get yourself over there, you should enjoy it.

But I couldn't find any such subforum! Do you have a link?

 

[Mr Zog]

But I couldn't find any such subforum! Do you have a link?

I think this says just about all we need to know about your skills at researching - I can see at least 4 threads about Freemen on the front page of this subforum. (Hint - 2 of them have 'Freeman' in the title)

 

[Anders Lindman]

I think this says just about all we need to know about your skills at researching - I can see at least 4 threads about Freemen on the front page of this subforum. (Hint - 2 of them have 'Freeman' in the title)

Oh, I thought there was some separate subforum. Freeman on the land is as I understand it (after having done a quick search on the web) that a person doesn't need laws and things like that if he or she can behave responsibly. Fair enough, but laws can also be useful for making things easier in society by providing guidelines for how much tax to pay, what side on the road to drive etc.

 

[jargon buster]

yes Anders we know that, its them you need to convince.

 

[PhantomWolf]

If it's as reactive as aluminum, then it would quickly be covered by a thin oxide layer protecting the metal from further oxidation. To create a hydrogen explosion like happened in Japan a large amount of hydrogen is needed.

I thought I'd answer this even though the rest of the thread seems to have gone off into woo-woo-world.

Just like Aluminium, that oxide layer fails as the metal heats up beyond a certain temperature, at which point the metal is free to react, and does so. This is the reason that it only reacts with water when the metal is very hot, and not when it is cool.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I thought I'd answer this even though the rest of the thread seems to have gone off into woo-woo-world.

Just like Aluminium, that oxide layer fails as the metal heats up beyond a certain temperature, at which point the metal is free to react, and does so. This is the reason that it only reacts with water when the metal is very hot, and not when it is cool.

Ok, you mean so hot that the metal melts. The strange thing is that that kind of property sounds dangerous and it's odd that zirconium is allowed to be used in nuclear reactors. I thought the safety requirements were harder than that for nuclear power plants.

 

[ktesibios]

I thought I'd answer this even though the rest of the thread seems to have gone off into woo-woo-world.

Just like Aluminium, that oxide layer fails as the metal heats up beyond a certain temperature, at which point the metal is free to react, and does so. This is the reason that it only reacts with water when the metal is very hot, and not when it is cool.

Aluminum will even ignite and burn in air if you get it hot enough to break down the oxide layer.

IIRC the British Navy encountered this phenomenon during the Falklands War.