Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

mehmetin said:
There is no mystery. It happened, as the experts were sincere people, I do not want to embarrass them. When people like G.W. Bush or Obama will consider listening, I will tell it. But I won't give the identities of lower level people.

If you were a little bit honest and sincere people, you’ll understand that my work is strong. But I do not expect that from you. I understand that your work is disinformation; well do it.
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They can join the forums anonymously. I would love to hear from anyone who thinks you are making anything approaching a coherent argument. Just be aware that sock puppetry is easily detected and is not tolerated here.
 
DGM said:
He has a Turkish language 9/11 conspiracy book and he needs to generate interest so he can sell it. Simple really.
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He doesn't seem close to having such a book as yet. Surely no real publisher would publish what he is claiming here. He has published what I understand is a Jewish conspiracy book. Is that right, Mehmet?
 
abaddon said:
try this

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

or this

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193

I could go on, but you seem awful rusty on the content of the Quran, for a real Muslim.
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Here is the complete translation of these verses:

2/190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loved not transgressors.
2/191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first)fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2/192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2/193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression,and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

As you can see, the problem is not the fait of others, the problem is the oppression, injustice, aggressions made by others. Such aggressive actions can also be made by Muslims and other Muslims should fight them too; several times it's told to Muslims do not transgress limits.

In the Koran, there is no order or example to kill any innocent people for his faith! Always there is a reason, an answer to an aggression, to an injustice ...

But in the Bible there are several examples of killing innocents people on basis of their fait, or nation. See Joshua 31.
 
DGM said:
mehmetin:

I have a question. Why did the plan include all the fights be delayed? You do know that AA77 was the closest to "on-time" at 10 minutes delayed (average for all four was 26 min)?
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Those are regular delays. Not 41 minutes, while the passengers were on board. That UA93 had to be delayed by about 10 to 15 minutes too. Not 41.
 
DGM said:
He has a Turkish language 9/11 conspiracy book and he needs to generate interest so he can sell it. Simple really.
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Is mehmetin the Turkish word for delusional or practical joker or something? Because that would explain an awful lot.
 
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abaddon said:
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided.

4:56 Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

Thats nice.
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You are again deviating into religious considerations. The main reason of religions is our own health, goodness, ... God do not need our believe, our help, our actions, He is too much above all our actions or faith.

Your opinion about God is wrong, and you translate everything wrongly. Here up, consider the revelations as the good actions, and unbelieving is continuing to make bad actions. What bad actions makes to people? Get them into badness, oppression, stress, ... It's so easy.
 
twinstead said:
If Allah and the God of the Old Testament aren't the same person, they're at least in the same fraternity.
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They are the same God, but the Bible was modified to include killing, agressions, oppressions in the name of God. And that's what Koran removed. That's why there is no killing order in the name of God, the word "sword" is also not noticed, "God is unknown" making all Gods possible true ones while teh religion remains Monotheist.
 
mehmetin said:
Those are regular delays. Not 41 minutes, while the passengers were on board. That UA93 had to be delayed by about 10 to 15 minutes too. Not 41.
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Tell you what. Why don't you just shut us all up and post statistics (they are on-line) that show this is a "special" case. Until then. we can all assume you made that up.

Fair enough?
 
sheeplesnshills said:
First you have to show that this succession was intentional and/or necessary, otherwise you are committing a classic Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
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The succession repeats itself in all cases, even in the most illogical ones (AA77, UA93). So, that succession was intentional.

It was not necessary in the case of 4 different teams. Also it's extremely complex and impossible to make.

But if the hijacks were made by ONE team using hightech, than it's absolutely necessary; the controlling people can only manage one plane at a time. The automatic control system making the last minutes of route up to the target, the team can begin the next plane's action some minutes before the impact. That's what we see.
 
Oystein said:
No.
When will you ever concede that you are plainly wrong on this?

Listen, here is is a table of events at a Turkish cafe:

Customer|Enters cafe|Drinks coffee|Leaves cafe
Aishe|9:58|10:13|10:43
Bülent|10:13|10:42|11:03
Cem|10:19|10:53|11:37
Deniz|10:42|11:34|12:05

What do you think: Did these four people go to the cafe independently, or were they coordinated by a third party?
Is it possible or impossible that these people acted without coordination?

If you say "possible", then clearly the timechart of the fourt planes on 9/11 was possible without central coordination. Because I took your times, I only added 2 hours to the schedule and renamed events and actors.
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If you consider the times of 4 people taken amongst 50,000,000 , sure it's perfectly possible. But if you reduce that number to 4 known people who should make a known action and who can not contact each other, and who can not control their own startup time, it becomes impossible.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
We still don't know how these 'actuators' are fitted or work.
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Yes, you don't know. But I know how they work. They just have to simulate the linear movement of the pilots arms.

Also, I do not know how exactly they were fitted, but I know that this definitely possible and simple event.

More information is available in my book. But you can also study the subject and find how is that possible. May be you'll find a better solution than mine.
 
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mehmetin said:
The succession repeats itself in all cases, even in the most illogical ones (AA77, UA93). So, that succession was intentional.
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Prove it. Of course there was succession, THE PLANES TOOK OFF IN SUCCESSION. THAT'S HOW AIRPORTS WORK! You have to explain why this is unusual which of course you cannot do.

It was not necessary in the case of 4 different teams. Also it's extremely complex and impossible to make.
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Again, you're not answering the question. Why is it complex or impossible?

But if the hijacks were made by ONE team using hightech, than it's absolutely necessary; the controlling people can only manage one plane at a time.

The automatic control system making the last minutes of route up to the target, the team can begin the next plane's action some minutes before the impact. That's what we see.
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If this high tech system happened on 9/11 you surely have some evidence. You can't just say something and make it true.
 
mehmetin said:
If you consider the times of 4 people taken amongst 50,000,000 , sure it's perfectly possible. But if you reduce that number to 4 known people who should make a known action and who can not contact each other, and who can not control their own startup time, it becomes impossible.
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DGM said:
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That about sums up this thread. I really can't believe I just read what he said.
 
DGM said:
mehmetin :

Seeing as I'm a nice guy I'll even give you the link to the on-time stats.



Everything you should need to prove your point.

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/index.xml
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NICE! I've been looking for a database like this.

OK Meh, here is the departure delays for United Airlines at Newark-Liberty International Airport (EWR) for Monday September 10th, 2001.

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12 flights on this list (there were more the screen shot didn't capture) that had taxi out delays of over 25 minutes. All inside jobs or not?

I really don't think you have a good grasp of the nightmare air travel can be in this country. Especially at an extremely busy airport like Newark-Liberty.
 
Justin39640 said:
12 flights on this list (there were more the screen shot didn't capture) that had taxi out delays of over 25 minutes. All inside jobs or not?

I really don't think you have a good grasp of the nightmare air travel can be in this country. Especially at an extremely busy airport like Newark-Liberty.
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They all took off in succession too. That means they all must have been controlled by one team.
 
mehmetin said:
- The twin towrs were demolished by using radio controlled conventionnal explosives placed on key positions accessibles from the lifts' shafts. That can be made during the week end.
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I'm afraid this is not how controlled demolitions work. Controlled demolitions are prepared by stripping the internals of a building and drilling thousands of carefully placed holes in which you place perfectly measured amounts of explosives.

Your "theory" (read: fantasy) has hereby been debunked.

Have a nice day!
 
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