Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

mehmetin

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mehmetin
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Since 2003 I am investigating on 9/11 and I wrote on many forums. My explanation of the manner how the events were made was never debunked. For me most of 9/11 truther web sites are disinformation. That includes the web sites Scholars for 911 truth and justice, scholars for 911 truth, pilots for 911 truth, justice for 911, 911truth, research911, Architects and engineers for 911, ... Simply do not associate me with any of the known 9/11 web sites, I do not support them. I do not support the official story too. The official reports are full of lies.

I heard many times about jref forum. Finally I decided to challenge this forum also.

To make it short, the message is simple: I know how the events were made and I explained it in my web site peace911 dot org.

The summary that explains how the events were made is in the power point presentation there in. All what I can tell you is included in that file. If any of you dare to debunk it, you're welcome. I just ask sincerity, logical thinking, material evidence (no eyewitnesses which are not supported by material evidence). I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks.

The conclusion is also simple:
Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11. The strikes were made by common work of Massad and Bush administration.
 
If you are really serious, please post your evidence here yourself . Otherwise most people here will think that you are just a spammer for your own website, and you will be mostly ignored or perhaps made fun of. So if you are serious, don't let that happen. Just a friendly warning up front.

Can you do that, please?
 
Then how is it that Islamic extremists associated with Bosnia and Al Qaeda end up on AAL77?
 
PS. Mehmet, I had a quick look at your website just to say I have been there.

My Turkish friend, you are going to have to SERIOUSLY reconsider your conclusions if that is only the level of research you have done in 5 years. You have done almost none, and of that, you have managed to show no evidence for the conclusions you reached. Just saying that you think it was Mossad and Bush because you can't think of anything else and because you deliberately ignore other evidence is straight foolishness.

If you want to support your position, you need a LOT more solid evidence than you have there. Right now you have almost none - it's all complete speculation, ignorance and imagination. So the reason no-one will debunk you is probably because you have produced nothing for them to debunk. You can't give someone a cake to eat if you don't make it first.

Best of luck!
 
Zep, your visit was extremely short, you studied almost nothing. Just for the fun, from 2003 to 2011 it makes 8 years, not 5!

But you are right in one point, a little bit more detail here is better. So here are three key points of my work:

- The timeline of the hiijacks shows that the hijacks were successive, like one teame controlling one plane at a time. Such hijacks could not be made by 4 different teams inside each plane.

- The plane that hit the Pentagon was not a B757. It was smaller with about 95ft wingspan, that is consistent with a B737-200/300/400.

- The twin towrs were demolished by using radio controlled conventionnal explosives placed on key positions accessibles from the lifts' shafts. That can be made during the week end.

All strong evidences are consistent with these conclusions. And that proves that Muslims are NOT involved.
 
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This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. It's better than the nuclear bomb. What's his 'theory'?
Most of the web sites which spread such false theories are controlled by people related to the sionist movement and Israel. These web sites do never consider any israelis involment in the strikes.
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Or is that the 'evidence'? You can't tell the difference. Maybe the JREF is controlled by Israel? After all, Randi is Jewish name isn't it? Is it April Fool's Day yet?
 
mehmetin said:
Since 2003 I am investigating on 9/11 and I wrote on many forums. My explanation of the manner how the events were made was never debunked. For me most of 9/11 truther web sites are disinformation. That includes the web sites Scholars for 911 truth and justice, scholars for 911 truth, pilots for 911 truth, justice for 911, 911truth, research911, Architects and engineers for 911, ... Simply do not associate me with any of the known 9/11 web sites, I do not support them. I do not support the official story too. The official reports are full of lies.

I heard many times about jref forum. Finally I decided to challenge this forum also.

To make it short, the message is simple: I know how the events were made and I explained it in my web site peace911 dot org.

The summary that explains how the events were made is in the power point presentation there in. All what I can tell you is included in that file. If any of you dare to debunk it, you're welcome. I just ask sincerity, logical thinking, material evidence (no eyewitnesses which are not supported by material evidence). I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks.

The conclusion is also simple:
Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11. The strikes were made by common work of Massad and Bush administration.
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Burden of proof mate...no-one is under any obligation what-so-ever to debunk anything. It's up to you to provide some evidence and/or reason to believe your claim(s).
 
Mehmet:
From your letter to GW Bush,

The times of take off, deviation and crash of the planes show the presence of coordination
between aircraft. None of your reports indicates this despite the fact that this should be the first
evidence to analyze. To ascertain these times and analyze them, one does not need “super science”,
or to have a team of hundreds of experts. Even if the investigation teams have tried to hide it, only
one person with the time to do so could find this information. Here is the graph of the timeline.
The coordination between aircraft is clearly visible by the successive aspect of red areas
representing the hijacked flights of the planes. Such coordination is a mandatory outcome when the
planes are controlled by one team using the technology. There is no way or possibility it can be
achieved by four different terrorist teams hijacking the aircraft. Especially as the last plane, which
took off with an unexplained delay of 41 minutes, should have deviated as soon as possible in order
to escape the airspace control. Instead, this aircraft had the greatest delay between the takeoff and
hijacking. In fact, the aircraft waited for your “team” to complete the settings of the previous plane
that hit the Pentagon. Once these adjustments had been made, as for other airplanes, your team was
confident that the technology installed on board would guide it to its target. Only after that time
were they able to take over the fourth plane.
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There's a graph that goes with it.
http://users.swing.be/mehmeti/Open Letter to G.W. Bush.pdf

What exactly are you going on about?


As for the rest of your "open letter"...........

:rolleyes:
 
mehmetin said:
Since 2003 I am investigating on 9/11 and I wrote on many forums. My explanation of the manner how the events were made was never debunked. For me most of 9/11 truther web sites are disinformation. That includes the web sites Scholars for 911 truth and justice, scholars for 911 truth, pilots for 911 truth, justice for 911, 911truth, research911, Architects and engineers for 911, ... Simply do not associate me with any of the known 9/11 web sites, I do not support them. I do not support the official story too. The official reports are full of lies.

I heard many times about jref forum. Finally I decided to challenge this forum also.

To make it short, the message is simple: I know how the events were made and I explained it in my web site peace911 dot org.

The summary that explains how the events were made is in the power point presentation there in. All what I can tell you is included in that file. If any of you dare to debunk it, you're welcome. I just ask sincerity, logical thinking, material evidence (no eyewitnesses which are not supported by material evidence). I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks.

The conclusion is also simple:
Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11. The strikes were made by common work of Massad and Bush administration.
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Pretty quiet here at work this morning.....please allow me to post Mehmetins' evidence cliff notes.

1) Flight passenger lists contained none of the terrorists names
2) Several terrorists are supposedly alive.
3) Mueller admitted that the identity of several highjackers is in doubt; but failed to explain how they were identified in the first place.
4) (?) Too much intelligence is classified and unavailable.
5) None of the black boxes have ever been released to the public
6) Plane parts not identified through serial numbers
7) WTC designed to withstand strike from 707

In his defense(kind of)....Mehmetin states on his website that you should form your own opinion. For a guy who beleives that all the *911truth*.* websites are disinfo, he parades around a lot of their bad information....

"For more details, we recommend to look into internet"
- Mehmetin

The JREF response to this thread is sure to send Mehmetin back to the comfort of his own website...
 
mehmetin said:
Since 2003 I am investigating on 9/11 and I wrote on many forums. My explanation of the manner how the events were made was never debunked. For me most of 9/11 truther web sites are disinformation. That includes the web sites Scholars for 911 truth and justice, scholars for 911 truth, pilots for 911 truth, justice for 911, 911truth, research911, Architects and engineers for 911, ... Simply do not associate me with any of the known 9/11 web sites, I do not support them. I do not support the official story too. The official reports are full of lies.

I heard many times about jref forum. Finally I decided to challenge this forum also.

To make it short, the message is simple: I know how the events were made and I explained it in my web site peace911 dot org.

The summary that explains how the events were made is in the power point presentation there in. All what I can tell you is included in that file. If any of you dare to debunk it, you're welcome. I just ask sincerity, logical thinking, material evidence (no eyewitnesses which are not supported by material evidence). I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks.

The conclusion is also simple:
Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11. The strikes were made by common work of Massad and Bush administration.
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Troll much? Bet you have been here before! But I will bite!

Why would anybody try to 'debunk' your school yard drivel? Your fellow Muslims disagree with you. No Jewish family has come forward to report the loss of their jewish fathers, brothers, uncles, sons or nephews as terrorists on 911! Although Saudi families have confirmed that their scumbag loved ones didn't return from NY on 911. Can you explain that?

Why the need for the 'Muslim Researcher' tag to your OP? Is that the race card you are pulling? I find that the most racist people are those like you! A so called Muslim who is racist towards the Jews. Hypocrite!! It is you and your ilk who sprout the racist/religious mantra and have done for centuries. Muslim and Jew to you.............terrorist to me, regardless of colour or nationality!!!!!!

I have met many Muslims in various countries. Most in the UK are ordinary hard working citizens living in a democracy who accept the common narrative and accept who did it and denounce it. They aren’t oppressed here and can say what they like and they do! They disagree with you. Even those who are fanatics and extremists disagree with you. Those extremists glout about 911. Have you ever seen a Jew do the same?

Those who are oppressed by their own in Afghanistan also say the same. They disagree with you too. The Taliban accept who did it and glout!

Yet here you are pissing about on an obscure website that 99.999999999999999% of the worlds population has never, and will never, hear about. Sad muppet!
 
Mehmet,

Apart from the usual rubbish which we've known to be nonsense for years, your only novel content seems to be the graph showing that, according to your analysis, the four planes must all have been controlled by a single group. There are two obvious and fatal flaws to this.

Firstly, you claim that, for the four arliners to be controlled by a single group, it would be necessary for them to be taken over serially rather than simultaneously, and that this would require that each one crash before the next is taken over. You then present a graph showing that each one crashed after the next was taken over. Therefore, your own data refutes your reasoning.

Secondly, you claim that it would be impossible for four separate groups to co-ordinate their actions to this degree. This is variant on what is known as the Texas Sharpshooter FallacyWP, in which a posteriori results is confused with a priori intentions. Since you present no evidence that four separate groups intended to achieve the specific temporal relationships that occurred, you have no grounds for presenting as evidence the difficulty of achieving that result. And, of course, since the operation of four completely separate groups neither implies nor preculdes any specific correlation, you have no grounds for your claim that this sequence of events was impossible with four separate groups; with no interaction between groups, any sequence is equally possible.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that Moslems are equally capable of acts of evil as Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, atheists or people of any other belief or lack of belief, but until you learn to recognise this basic fact of human nature you will never be able to understand the world.

Dave
 
mehmetin said:
, ... Simply do not associate me with any of the known 9/11 web sites, I do not support them. I do not support the official story too. The official reports are full of lies.

I heard many times about jref forum. Finally I decided to challenge this forum also.

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Welcome to the form mehmetin,

If you refute the content of most truther websites, then why are you repeating the same errors that they make? You seem no different from them in any meaningful way, sorry.

Also, there's no need to present your ideas to JREF'ers as unique, since they are not, when you can use the search function of this forum and read thru a history of threads which deal with all the subjects you're interested in.

I suggest you do that first, then post in the relevant threads if you wish. I must say that, for a person who claims to have been researching for 8 years, it is a bit alarming to think that you haven't visited here yet.:eye-poppi
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
1) Flight passenger lists contained none of the terrorists names
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If this guy ever comes back which I doubt he will, I want to see if we can get him to admit he is wrong which I also doubt he will.

mehmetin

This has been thoroughly debunked. The terrorist were 100% without a doubt on the passenger list. You are confusing a passenger list with a list of victims that were published in a news paper. It is time for you to remove this from your website.
 
I for one did not wish to give his site meter a hit, so I did not waste the time of visiting it. So thanks to those of you who did and the 'Cliff notes' version.

Fact is, GW Bush and administration did not invest a lot of time on terrorism issues pre-9/11. Matter of fact, most of the people working the issue (FBI, CIA, Richard Clarke) were hold overs from Bill Clinton. The man barely had time to get the chair warm in the Oval Office (being from Turkey that little hanging chad episode in Florida means nothing to you). So with very few of his own people in place he somehow planned and executed an attack on his own country using thousands of people to cover it up for him? Nah.

I won't even respond to the obvious racial implications of the Jewish involvement. But most of this stuff (actually all of it) has been dealt with by multiple threads here at JREF. If you had done any real research you would know how foolish the stuff you are asserting is.

May I suggest two good books for you. In Their Own Words and the Al Qaeda Reader. Bin Laden and Zawahiri will tell you who did the deed and why. But perhaps they are not Muslim enough for you. Seems to be a common theme these days.
 
BCR said:
I won't even respond to the obvious racial implications of the Jewish involvement.
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Question: How does implicating the Mossad in 9/11 have racial implications?

Question #2: What is the Jewish race anyhow?
 
mehmetin said:
Zep, your visit was extremely short, you studied almost nothing. Just for the fun, from 2003 to 2011 it makes 8 years, not 5!

But you are right in one point, a little bit more detail here is better. So here are three key points of my work:
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In your opening post you kindly asked us to only use "sincerity, logical thinking, material evidence (no eyewitnesses which are not supported by material evidence)". So let me ask you if you adhered to that standard yourself:

mehmetin said:
- The timeline of the hiijacks shows that the hijacks were successive, like one teame controlling one plane at a time. Such hijacks could not be made by 4 different teams inside each plane.
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What logic or material evidence makes it impossible for 4 teams to hijack 4 planes in short succession? It seems that they only needed to book 5 tickets each on 4 planes that had a scheduked take-off within about an hour of each other, and each team starting the hijack soon after reaching cruising altitude.

mehmetin said:
- The plane that hit the Pentagon was not a B757. It was smaller with about 95ft wingspan, that is consistent with a B737-200/300/400.
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Are you aware that a lot of material evidence was found inside the Pentagon that proves it was in fact a 757? Not least of all the Flight Data Recorder, whose data we have?

So what is your material evidence that these many many items were planted, or otherwise faked? Or by what logic do you discount that evidence?
Are you aware that the DNA of nearly all passengers who boarded the 757 that American Airlines used for flight 77 on 9/11 was identified as belonging to human remains found inside the Pentagon? What material evidence do you have that these human remains were either planted, or the DNA results faked? Or by what logic did you exclude that evidence?

mehmetin said:
- The twin towrs were demolished by using radio controlled conventionnal explosives placed on key positions accessibles from the lifts' shafts. That can be made during the week end.
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What material evidence do you have for radio controlled conventionnal explosives and their placement?

mehmetin said:
All strong evidences are consistent with these conclusions. And that proves that Muslims are NOT involved.
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What material evidence do you have for Mossad's involvement, or Bush's involvement?
 
Hello Mehmet Inan.

Finally escaped your pen over at Facebook's "9/11 CT's are BS", have you?

EDIT: BTW while you are here, be sure to pop into the main CT section and explain how the Apollo moon landings were also a jewish plot. I'm sure the others will find that entertaining as well.
 
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