Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

George152 said:
So much for the 'peace loving' religion..
Any chance we can ban -all- religions and get on with life ?
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I very much doubt that will happen.

And I have no objection to anyone's belief, so long as it does not impinge on those who do not share said belief.

It is when those bounds are transgressed that I object.
 
mehmetin said:
The actual time graphic of the hijacks shows that they were coordinated each to other...
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No.
When will you ever concede that you are plainly wrong on this?

Listen, here is is a table of events at a Turkish cafe:

Customer|Enters cafe|Drinks coffee|Leaves cafe
Aishe|9:58|10:13|10:43
Bülent|10:13|10:42|11:03
Cem|10:19|10:53|11:37
Deniz|10:42|11:34|12:05

What do you think: Did these four people go to the cafe independently, or were they coordinated by a third party?
Is it possible or impossible that these people acted without coordination?

If you say "possible", then clearly the timechart of the fourt planes on 9/11 was possible without central coordination. Because I took your times, I only added 2 hours to the schedule and renamed events and actors.
 
Oystein said:
No.
When will you ever concede that you are plainly wrong on this?

Listen, here is is a table of events at a Turkish cafe:

Customer|Enters cafe|Drinks coffee|Leaves cafe
Aishe|9:58|10:13|10:43
Bülent|10:13|10:42|11:03
Cem|10:19|10:53|11:37
Deniz|10:42|11:34|12:05

What do you think: Did these four people go to the cafe independently, or were they coordinated by a third party?
Is it possible or impossible that these people acted without coordination?

If you say "possible", then clearly the timechart of the fourt planes on 9/11 was possible without central coordination. Because I took your times, I only added 2 hours to the schedule and renamed events and actors.
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My only comment is Deniz should just order his coffee iced. He waited 52 min. before drinking his coffee?





:boxedin:
 
DGM said:
My only comment is Deniz should just order his coffee iced. He waited 52 min. before drinking his coffee?

:boxedin:
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Clear sign of evil Jewish/Mossad conspiracy.
Or maybe he had a nice kebap with fries first, and drank his coffee with desert.
 
mehmetin said:
Finally one tried to explain with some honest look! Let’s see what he told.


- There was no succession in the take offs. The last hijacked plane was scheduled to take off only 2 minutes after the first one, the number 2 (UA175) and 3 (AA77) took off after the last one. That did not change anything to the successive aspect of the hijacks.
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First of all, your own chart shows that UA175 and AA77 did not take off after the last flight hijacked (UA93). UA175 took off 28 minutes after UA93 and AA77 took off 22 minutes after UA93

Secondly, there was a succession in the takeoffs: 7:59, 8:14, 8:20, and 8:42. Again, your own chart shows this.

Finally, if the planes did not take off in the order in which they were originally scheduled, what does this prove and why?

- There is no constant relation between deviations on level offs. Some deviation were made before level off, some other were too much after.

By the question HOW, you should explain us how the succession was made by 4 teams who can not contact each other, and they do not have any reason to contact each other.
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There is also no consistent relationship between the times of the crashes and the following hijacks. By your own logic doesn't that disprove your coordination-by-one-source theory? Shouldn't the times between crashes and following hijacks be exactly the same? How do you explain that they aren't?

Sorry, you argument is null, is not consistent with actual deviation times.
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And your argument is null, is not consistent with actual hijack times (by your own logic they should be exactly the same).


If the terrorists acted independently each from other, they can finish their job at about 9:00. By coordinating them each to other, they ended their job at about 10:06 with the last plane failing its target!
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So you are arguing that if the terrorists hijacked the exact same flights and acted independently they would have completed their mission sooner than by being coordinated from the ground? Prove this.
 
DGM said:
My only comment is Deniz should just order his coffee iced. He waited 52 min. before drinking his coffee?
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Deniz's drink was delayed to fit the succession. Such delay of 52 minutes is not a logical explanation! The man enters the cafe at 10:42. It takes 1 minute to order coffee; it could get about 10 minutes delay, but not 52 minutes, definitely NOT. Only credulous people can believe such official lies. You can believe this because I say so. I'm not going to back that up with any facts or evidence, but you can visit my website that doesn't have any facts or evidence either. Muslims could not have had the coffee. It was 1 team.
 
mehmetin said:
I cross looked your post, this is the first time I heard about you. I designed the control system several years ago.
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"Design" must mean something different on your planet. To sane individuals, fantasizing about mechanical systems you do not understand != "design."

mehmetin said:
You are still claiming that tomahawk system is not suitable for that purpose. You must consider these conditions:
- No need for precise level measurement. No laser altitude measurement is needed, and it can not be set up in a regularly used civil aircraft. GPS level measurement is enough to hit the towers.
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So wrong it's not even funny. This is needed, Tomahawk already uses it, many civil aircraft do need it. GPS is not enough, as Tomahawk demonstrates.

mehmetin said:
- If some removal of some measurements is needed, it can easily be done by software.
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Not possible on a 767.

mehmetin said:
- The install of actuators is always possible, especially under the cockpit.
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Not possible on a 767. Definitely not possible if you want the install to be undetectable to pilots and maintainers, which your theory requires.

mehmetin said:
That means Tomahawk systems can be used to control the planes after take off. The planes can take off naturally and after take off at required time the tomahawk system can be switched on to gas the pilots and passengers and replace the human pilots to produce their hand movement to fly the planes to their targets.
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No.

mehmetin said:
More information on my web site www.peace911.org
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More crap, you mean.

You really need to find a new hobby, preferably something you're actually good at. You are utterly incompetent at this one.
 
mehmetin said:
Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes. It's too long, and according to the take off schedule, there was no reason on that day in Newark.



All these accusations on Muslims are BASELESS claims; Muslims and whole world are forced to believe the accusation of Bush administration. We just have 19 pictures of people that we don't know where they come from. And all strong material evidence is not consistent with that scenario.

Also, one need to be non Muslim to believe on such crazy claims you made here up. Allah does not request to kill anybody in his name/B]; nobody can justify such actions up to really make it on innocent people. Everybody who makes such accusation on Muslims is actually putting his own accusation on behalf of Muslims that he does not know.
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No they are not. Read the Hadith. Or listen to what Muslim whack job #1 says about killing people in the name of some freaky made up fairy story. Face it there are two ways to get stoned, one's drugs the other is religion.

What material evidence? Like the suicide videos the religious nut cases made before they killed themselves and 3000 other people? That material evidence? Or Bin Laden taking credit for the attacks? That evidence? There is no hidden hand here. There is no way for Muslim apologists to crawl on their bellies and avoid this one. I'd say there are two stupid fairy stories you need to give up. One is the theology of the Corrupt Bedouin and the other is this nonsense.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Its a mystery. He said he has run this idea by some experts who were impressed. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall if that actually occurred.
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There is no mystery. It happened, as the experts were sincere people, I do not want to embarrass them. When people like G.W. Bush or Obama will consider listening, I will tell it. But I won't give the identities of lower level people.

If you were a little bit honest and sincere people, you’ll understand that my work is strong. But I do not expect that from you. I understand that your work is disinformation; well do it.
 
Sideroxylon said:
There is nothing bloody special about the successions, is there! Its not like they were all exactly five minutes apart to the second or something. There is nothing synchronised about it.
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Sure, perfect synchronisation up to some seconds is not possible and not to be expected. A rough succession with similar timings on each flight change is enough. That's what we have. And all aspects, all differences, time gaps are explained and logical. There is no more doubt.

But I can understand that blind people or disinfo/confusion agents prefer to deny. Feel free to do it.
 
mehmetin said:
There is no mystery. It happened, as the experts were sincere people, I do not want to embarrass them. When people like G.W. Bush or Obama will consider listening, I will tell it. But I won't give the identities of lower level people.

If you were a little bit honest and sincere people, you’ll understand that my work is strong. But I do not expect that from you. I understand that your work is disinformation; well do it.
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Why should they be embarrassed? If your work is credible they should be proud to be involved. Could it be you don't think your work is credible?
 
mehmetin said:
There is no mystery. It happened, as the experts were sincere people, I do not want to embarrass them.
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In other words, your experts don't believe you either.

mehmetin said:
Sure, perfect synchronisation up to some seconds is not possible and not to be expected. A rough succession with similar timings on each flight change is enough. That's what we have. And all aspects, all differences, time gaps are explained and logical. There is no more doubt.
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The type of mental gymnastics you must have had to go through to actually believe this is astounding. I mean, it's so illogical it hurts. The fact that you're using the word logical when what you say is exactly the opposite is amazing.
 
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The "41 minutes delay is not possible" is so ridiculous I have to wonder - is this all some type of joke or performance art?

mehmetin, have you ever flown on an airplane?
 
carlitos said:
The "41 minutes delay is not possible" is so ridiculous I have to wonder - is this all some type of joke or performance art?
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It has to be. There's no way anybody could fail so badly at processing information.

mehmetin, have you ever flown on an airplane?
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If he's serious then there's no chance. But I'm liking the joke/performance art theory. I mean, he's calling us disinfo agents too. When it comes right down to it we're all just a bunch of dopes on an internet message board; albeit dopes who can at least think straight are logical and can process information properly when we see it.
 
mehmetin said:
Sure, perfect synchronisation up to some seconds is not possible and not to be expected. A rough succession with similar timings on each flight change is enough. That's what we have. And all aspects, all differences, time gaps are explained and logical. There is no more doubt.

But I can understand that blind people or disinfo/confusion agents prefer to deny. Feel free to do it.
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That is the whole point. Perfect synchronisation would raise questions. Things happening one after the other is mundane and requires no special explanation.

There is nothing to deny because you haven't made any kind of coherent argument.
 
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