Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

R.Mackey said:
You designed nothing, pal.

I raised the Tomahawk guidance package in a discussion of this type some years ago, long before you ever joined the Forum unless you're another sockpuppet. It's not suitable for this mission.
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I cross looked your post, this is the first time I heard about you. I designed the control system several years ago.

You are still claiming that tomahawk system is not suitable for that purpose. You must consider these conditions:
- No need for precise level measurement. No laser altitude measurement is needed, and it can not be set up in a regularly used civil aircraft. GPS level measurement is enough to hit the towers.
- If some removal of some measurements is needed, it can easily be done by software.
- The install of actuators is always possible, especially under the cockpit.

That means Tomahawk systems can be used to control the planes after take off. The planes can take off naturally and after take off at required time the tomahawk system can be switched on to gas the pilots and passengers and replace the human pilots to produce their hand movement to fly the planes to their targets.

More information on my web site www.peace911.org
 
mehmetin said:
Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes. It's too long, and according to the take off schedule, there was no reason on that day in Newark.
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Explain this please with evidence or retract your argument from ignorance.

mehmetin said:
The actual time graphic of the hijacks shows that they were coordinated each to other. So all what you told here up is null, meaningless claims and not consistent with the actual times.
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No it doesn't. It shows exactly what Oystein described.


In actual deviation times, there is no approximately constant relation between level off and deviation.
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Right. Why should there be?

So, this is not true, there was no relation between level off and deviation. Your claim is baseless and not supported by any evidence;
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Sure it is. It's supported by your little chart thingy.


since to be a little bit true, your claim should a little bit be supported by any logical explanation.
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It is. More than a little bit.


With all different people, different targets, different take off delays, … too many differences, “they actually succeeded to create a perfect succession of the hijacks”. That’s impossible by 4 different teams.
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What do you mean by perfect and why is it impossible? This makes no sense. It wasn't perfect; perfect implies that the timing was exactly the same. It wasn't. Your entire claim is just bizarre.

When will you understand that? I guess: NEVER.
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Nobody is going to understand for 2 reasons:
1) We're not insane.
2) You haven't made even a single attempt to explain it.


We keep on asking you to explain yourself. You either answer with 'because I say so' or you answer with a question which isn't an answer at all.
 
DGM said:
That's what I suspected. Makes you wonder though (given the reputation of this forum). What does he hope to achieve by posting here.
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Its a mystery. He said he has run this idea by some experts who were impressed. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall if that actually occurred.
 
Finally one tried to explain with some honest look! Let’s see what he told.
The Lone Bolt said:
OK, let me try again:

Q: "How" 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks.

A: They planned in advance to hijack four different planes taking off in sucession. They planned in advance to hijack each plane as it leveled off. They succeeded by buying tickets, boarding the planes with weapons, and once each team's plane leveled off, killing the crew with their weapons and taking over the plane.
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- There was no succession in the take offs. The last hijacked plane was scheduled to take off only 2 minutes after the first one, the number 2 (UA175) and 3 (AA77) took off after the last one. That did not change anything to the successive aspect of the hijacks.

- There is no constant relation between deviations on level offs. Some deviation were made before level off, some other were too much after.

By the question HOW, you should explain us how the succession was made by 4 teams who can not contact each other, and they do not have any reason to contact each other.

Sorry, you argument is null, is not consistent with actual deviation times.

The Lone Bolt said:
Q: "Why" 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks.

A: The terrorists no doubt wanted to chose flights that are closely timed together. The further apart the flights were the more likely their mission would fail as the authorities would be on the alert for further hijacks and crashes and might be able to prevent them.
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If the terrorists acted independently each from other, they can finish their job at about 9:00. By coordinating them each to other, they ended their job at about 10:06 with the last plane failing its target!

Again, there is no logical explanation. You can continue to deny, but your arguments are baseless and not consistent with the actual times.

The Lone Bolt said:
There. Now it's been explained to you. Again. Don't say it hasn't.

And if the explanations I have provided are not plausible then "I need some strong argument" as to why not, and not just because you say so.
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You got strong arguments. You can still argue to find a good answer. I am looking for your explanation.
 
There is nothing bloody special about the successions, is there! Its not like they were all exactly five minutes apart to the second or something. There is nothing synchronised about it.
 
Sideroxylon said:
There is nothing bloody special about the successions, is there! Its not like they were all exactly five minutes apart to the second or something. There is nothing synchronised about it.
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No, there is not. The really sad part is if UA 93 was not delayed 41 minutes they still would be in succession, just a different order.
 
mehmetin said:
Allah does not request to kill anybody in his name
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try this

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

or this

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193

I could go on, but you seem awful rusty on the content of the Quran, for a real Muslim.
 
mehmetin:

I have a question. Why did the plan include all the fights be delayed? You do know that AA77 was the closest to "on-time" at 10 minutes delayed (average for all four was 26 min)?
 
Source: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Text of those passages:

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
2:192 But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
 
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided.

4:56 Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

Thats nice.
 
If Allah and the God of the Old Testament aren't the same person, they're at least in the same fraternity.
 
"By the question HOW, you should explain us how the succession was made by 4 teams who can not contact each other, and they do not have any reason to contact each other."
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First you have to show that this succession was intentional and/or necessary, otherwise you are committing a classic Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

Imagine you shoot at the side of a barn and the bullet just happens to go right through a knot hole and kills kid looking out that hole. Now you were just shooting at a barn and accuracy was not of interest to you, you didn't even know the kid or the knot hole was there......but if someone has a conspiracy theory that the kid was murdered it looks like a brilliantly aimed shot by a brilliant marksman.........you are making that mistake and confusing simple coincidence with intent and skill.:rolleyes:
 
abaddon said:
try Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193
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err.....you quoted the very opinionated interpretation of the quote, not the quote itself.
 
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