Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

mehmetin said:
On a plane which is ready and gets out of the gate one minute before take off time, 41 minutes delay may occur for some reasons, like:
- Technical problem
- Heavy snow/glace
- Bomb alert and requires checking again
- Struggle in the plane before take off
- Ill people in the plane
- Accident on the strip
...

But it can NOT happen for "heavy traffic" reason. The schedule of the take offs is made to let some gap and solve some delays. The official explanation is definitely wrong.

As credulous people, you can continue to believe the official story. But that will not change the fact that “41 minutes delay for ONLY heavy traffic is wrong”.
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No, heavy traffic happens all the time. Don't believe me? Fly through Atlanta or JFK sometime. Why is it so hard to accept that your freak weird religion got a bunch of guys all worked up and they carried out the attacks in the name of Allah (disclaimer, Islam is freaky and screwed up but so are all the other religions)?
 
mehmetin said:
You did not explain us "planned and succeeded ".
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Uhm...
Wait...
They planned to buy tickets - and succeeded by giving a travel agent money.
They planned to board the plans by driving to the airport and succeeded by showing tickets and walking ahead when boarding started.
They planned to take over each flight after it had levelled at crusing altitude, which happened in succession, and succeeded by killing the pilot and threatening the others.
They planned to crash the planes and succeeded by navigating to their targets, as learned in flight school.
They crashed in succession because any other timing (that is: at the same time) would have been very unlikely, since they did not communicate and coordinate after take-off. It wasn't necessary for success.


mehmetin said:
Also, actually if they worked independently one from another, they should have finished in a shorter time. They whould have finished at about 9:00, instead of 10:06. So, that's NOT a logical action by 4 different teams.

The only logical explanation is: The action was made by ONE team.
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Why?? See, according to your chart, UA175 levelled off at 8:33, deviated 8 or 9 minutes later (which is swift, I'd say), and crashed at 9:03, about 21 minutes later. 30 minutes between level-off and crash. And this team acted swiftly. How can you claim that AA77 and UA93 should have finished at 9:00 when they levelled off at 8:46 and 9:02, respectively? :confused:
And why is it not possible for one team to act faster or slower than another? Do you realize they had different distances to their targets?

The best logical explanation is: They all acted according to the same basic plan, but acted with different swiftness, as they were different people in different planes having different targets. The exact timing is a random event within certain ill defined boundaries, and your claim is a picture-prefect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

mehmetin, have you yet looked up the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy and understood what it is?
 
=mehmetin;6988233]I sell nothing. The power point file is free o down load!
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A download counts as traffic on your site which you can then use (if it gets high enough:rolleyes:) to generate advertising income. I have no wish to help people like you profit from 911.
 
mehmetin said:
Amongst the victims, there was 9 Muslims. But were they terrorists or not, I need open source strong evidence and strong investigation. I am not decided that this was suicide attack. Also, the terrorists may have planned an exit scenario, for example by blaming innocents to whom they gave weapons and they may get out as innocent people.

Mumbai is not an example for several suicide bombers acting together. You need to find other examples. But I bet, you’ll never find 19 suicide terrorists acting together.
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You are a complete evidence free zone aren't you! Who cares what you "decide"?
 
mehmetin said:
You have two false examples.
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You just claim that, without evidence.
It is your personal incredulity.
But you have been told this 500 times already. Why should I think the 501st time would finally teach you? :rolleyes:

mehmetin said:
You need to find ONE proved by open evidence and independent investigation. Just ONE with at least 10 people (I accept only 10 is enough).
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You will not accept any investigation in the world as "independent".
This is a trick so you can continue with your lies.
You ought to be very worried: Allah sees through your lies.
 
mehmetin said:
I designed the automatic system to make the strikes as they happened. And finally I realised that everything exists in tomahawk kind missiles.

You may not believe me, but you can ask around yourself for technically skilled people: Is such system possible or not?

You can also study automatic systems and try to design as I did it.
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You designed nothing, pal.

I raised the Tomahawk guidance package in a discussion of this type some years ago, long before you ever joined the Forum unless you're another sockpuppet. It's not suitable for this mission.
 
mehmetin said:
You can repeat that as many times as you want. That will not make your will true. I need some strong argument. And such strong argument could be for example explaining us "How and Why 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks?"

But you all refuse to explain that.
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OK, let me try again:

Q: "How" 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks.

A: They planned in advance to hijack four different planes taking off in sucession. They planned in advance to hijack each plane as it leveled off. They succeeded by buying tickets, boarding the planes with weapons, and once each team's plane leveled off, killing the crew with their weapons and taking over the plane.


Q: "Why" 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks.

A: The terrorists no doubt wanted to chose flights that are closely timed together. The further apart the flights were the more likely their mission would fail as the authorities would be on the alert for further hijacks and crashes and might be able to prevent them.

There. Now it's been explained to you. Again. Don't say it hasn't.

And if the explanations I have provided are not plausible then "I need some strong argument" as to why not, and not just because you say so.





Yes, some people in Newark airport were involved in the strikes. You just need some zionists linked people to make that. WHat's the problem? Do you claim that there was no zionist linked people in Newark?
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Um... what? What the hell are you talking about here?
 
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Craig4 said:
No, heavy traffic happens all the time. Don't believe me? Fly through Atlanta or JFK sometime.
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Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes. It's too long, and according to the take off schedule, there was no reason on that day in Newark.

Craig4 said:
Why is it so hard to accept that your freak weird religion got a bunch of guys all worked up and they carried out the attacks in the name of Allah (disclaimer, Islam is freaky and screwed up but so are all the other religions)?
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All these accusations on Muslims are BASELESS claims; Muslims and whole world are forced to believe the accusation of Bush administration. We just have 19 pictures of people that we don't know where they come from. And all strong material evidence is not consistent with that scenario.

Also, one need to be non Muslim to believe on such crazy claims you made here up. Allah does not request to kill anybody in his name/B]; nobody can justify such actions up to really make it on innocent people. Everybody who makes such accusation on Muslims is actually putting his own accusation on behalf of Muslims that he does not know.
 
mehmetin said:
Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes.
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And what is your basis for this statement. Please show your proof.(If it comes from where I suspect, forum rules do not allow sexually explicit or pornographic images).


:rolleyes:
 
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Originally Posted by mehmetin
Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes.

its logic like this which explains why 9-11 Truth is such a pathetic failure.
 
mehmetin said:
Heavy traffic can delay a plane by 10 min, 15min, 20min, but not by 41 minutes. It's too long, and according to the take off schedule, there was no reason on that day in Newark.
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you've never left from Ohare, JFK, LAX, Houston, or Atlanta have you?

Try Ohare in the winter.

My plane was delayed by 67 minutes at LAX due to traffic on the concourse and an emergency landing by a Southwest Airline plane.
 
Oystein said:
Uhm...
Wait...
They planned to buy tickets - and succeeded by giving a travel agent money.
They planned to board the plans by driving to the airport and succeeded by showing tickets and walking ahead when boarding started.
They planned to take over each flight after it had levelled at crusing altitude, which happened in succession, and succeeded by killing the pilot and threatening the others.
They planned to crash the planes and succeeded by navigating to their targets, as learned in flight school.
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The actual time graphic of the hijacks shows that they were coordinated each to other. So all what you told here up is null, meaningless claims and not consistent with the actual times.

Oystein said:
They crashed in succession because any other timing (that is: at the same time) would have been very unlikely, since they did not communicate and coordinate after take-off. It wasn't necessary for success.
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The only true thing is that one, and it does not happen. So, there was no 4 teams.

Oystein said:
Why?? See, according to your chart, UA175 levelled off at 8:33, deviated 8 or 9 minutes later (which is swift, I'd say), and crashed at 9:03, about 21 minutes later. 30 minutes between level-off and crash. And this team acted swiftly. How can you claim that AA77 and UA93 should have finished at 9:00 when they levelled off at 8:46 and 9:02, respectively? :confused:
And why is it not possible for one team to act faster or slower than another? Do you realize they had different distances to their targets?
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In actual deviation times, there is no approximately constant relation between level off and deviation. So, this is not true, there was no relation between level off and deviation. Your claim is baseless and not supported by any evidence; since to be a little bit true, your claim should a little bit be supported by any logical explanation.

Oystein said:
The best logical explanation is: They all acted according to the same basic plan, but acted with different swiftness, as they were different people in different planes having different targets. The exact timing is a random event within certain ill defined boundaries
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With all different people, different targets, different take off delays, … too many differences, “they actually succeeded to create a perfect succession of the hijacks”. That’s impossible by 4 different teams.

When will you understand that? I guess: NEVER.
 
DGM said:
And what is your basis for this statement. Please show your proof.(If it comes from where I suspect, forum rules do not allow rude or pornographic images).


:rolleyes:
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This.

Mehmet, now is the chance to show us that you have earned your "researcher" badge.

I often enjoy reading sophisticated arguments and the feeling that I get that I could be wrong about something requiring major changes to my web of belief. However, this would have to be one of the least convincing arguments I have ever seen on these forums.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
A download counts as traffic on your site which you can then use (if it gets high enough:rolleyes:) to generate advertising income. I have no wish to help people like you profit from 911.
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There is no publicity on that site, there is no publicity to my own book too. There is no profit on that web site. There is visit counter too. Currently, there is not.
 
Originally Posted by mehmetin
All these accusations on Muslims are BASELESS claims.....

wrong. as wrong as one can possibly be.
 
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