Is Obama planning to attack Saudi Arabia?

[Anders Lindman]

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And since this fact has been pointed out to you in this very thread, and since the author of the "article" you uncritically cite got this very basic fact wrong, why should anything zie or you say be taken seriously?
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But for crying out loud, I didn't even notice the part about Saudi Arabia claimed to be the largest exporter of crude oil to the United States. And if I had, then I would probably still have posted the article and mentioned the error in the article. I don't dismiss entire articles just because some facts in them are wrong. If it had been a peer-reviewed scientific paper on the other hand, then I would want error-free text.

 

[Craig4]

He's like a train wreck. I want to look away, I just can't.

 

[TSR]

But for crying out loud, I didn't even notice the part about Saudi Arabia claimed to be the largest exporter of crude oil to the United States. And if I had, then I would probably still have posted the article and mentioned the error in the article. I don't dismiss entire articles just because some facts in them are wrong. If it had been a peer-reviewed scientific paper on the other hand, then I would want error-free text.

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Thanks for the admission you didn't actually read the article, nay, even the bit of the article that you yourself posted.

So the question remains: why should anyone here take you seriously? Why should we take this article seriously, based as it is on a completely flawed view of reality?

Saudi oil, by your own source, accounts for just slightly more than 7% of imports to the U.S out of the top 15. Very slightly more than Venezuela, and Chavez doesn't like the US -- why not "foment unrest" there first rather than destabilize an ally?

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[Grassy Knowlington]

I don't think cold fusion was a scam. My guess is what they found (see for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OabYImeDSc ) was not cold fusion, but vacuum energy!

"Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space even when the space is devoid of matter (free space). The concept of vacuum energy has been deduced from the concept of virtual particles, which is itself derived from the energy-time uncertainty principle. The effects of vacuum energy can be observed in various phenomena such as spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect, the van der Waals bonds and the Lamb shift, and are thought to influence the behavior of the Universe on cosmological scales. " -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

So instead of cold fusion, what really happens I suspect, is vacuum energy quantum effects on a small scale, such as the Casimir effect, giving rise to an increase of energy.

Anders, instead of spending a lot of time posting newspaper clippings here why don't you spend the time more usefully by, say, studying Physics (from reputable textbooks or by enrolling on a course) then you could put these quotes in an appropriate context. Far more rewarding too as you will then appreciate how much rubbish is talked about 'vacuum energy' as being some sort of energy source you can tap into with a magic black box.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, instead of spending a lot of time posting newspaper clippings here why don't you spend the time more usefully by, say, studying Physics (from reputable textbooks or by enrolling on a course) then you could put these quotes in an appropriate context. Far more rewarding too as you will then appreciate how much rubbish is talked about 'vacuum energy' as being some sort of energy source you can tap into with a magic black box.

"1984, Forward: Conceptual design for a "vacuum fluctuation battery" to extract energy from electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum based on the Casimir effect (predicted 1948, measured 1958 by Sparnaay)." -- From: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/possible.html

 

[Anders Lindman]

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Saudi oil, by your own source, accounts for just slightly more than 7% of imports to the U.S out of the top 15. Very slightly more than Venezuela, and Chavez doesn't like the US -- why not "foment unrest" there first rather than destabilize an ally?

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Even a loss of only 7% of oil imports would lead to severe problems for the U.S. I agree that also the oil production in other countries like Venezuela is very important for the U.S. Especially since I doubt that any nation, not even Saudi Arabia, can increase their oil production by much.

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

"1984, Forward: Conceptual design for a "vacuum fluctuation battery" to extract energy from electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum based on the Casimir effect (predicted 1948, measured 1958 by Sparnaay)." -- From: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/possible.html

From your link:

"The Casimir Effect:

The most straight-forward evidence for vacuum energy is the Casimir effect. Get two metal plates close enough together and this vacuum energy will push them together. This is because the plates block out the light waves that are too big to fit between the plates. Eventually you have more waves bouncing on the outside than from the inside, the plates will get pushed together from this difference in light pressure. This effect has been experimentally demonstrated.

Can we tap into this energy?

It is doubtful that this can be tapped, and if it could be tapped, it is unknown what the secondary consequences would be. Remember that this is our lowest energy point. To get energy out, you presumably need to be at a lower energy state. Theoretical methods have been suggested to take advantage of the Casimir effect to extract energy (let the plates collapse and do work in the process) since the region inside the Casimir cavity can be interpreted as being at a lower energy state. Such concepts are only at the point of theoretical exercises at this point."

 

[Anders Lindman]

From your link:

"The Casimir Effect:

The most straight-forward evidence for vacuum energy is the Casimir effect. Get two metal plates close enough together and this vacuum energy will push them together. This is because the plates block out the light waves that are too big to fit between the plates. Eventually you have more waves bouncing on the outside than from the inside, the plates will get pushed together from this difference in light pressure. This effect has been experimentally demonstrated.

Can we tap into this energy?

It is doubtful that this can be tapped, and if it could be tapped, it is unknown what the secondary consequences would be. Remember that this is our lowest energy point. To get energy out, you presumably need to be at a lower energy state. Theoretical methods have been suggested to take advantage of the Casimir effect to extract energy (let the plates collapse and do work in the process) since the region inside the Casimir cavity can be interpreted as being at a lower energy state. Such concepts are only at the point of theoretical exercises at this point."

I remember hearing something about how random quantum fluctuations could be directed by using some medium which would produce energy. That makes sense. When the vacuum fluctuations are random, the net energy would be essentially zero, at least for practical purposes. If, on the other hand, the fluctuations could be directed, then useful energy could perhaps be produced. And that's what I meant by cold fusion in reality being a vacuum energy effect. Cold fusion? Sounds doubtful to me. Is there even any scientific theories for cold fusion? Vacuum energy is a well-known and experimentally verified effect.

 

[mikeyx]

A disclaimer up front is that this is just a very speculative conspiracy theory I came to think of. Anyway, could Obama be planning to invade Saudi Arabia in order to secure that nation's dwindling oil resources?

and a stupid one, thats like biting that feeds you, no he isn't.

 

[Anders Lindman]

and a stupid one, thats like biting that feeds you, no he isn't.

The idea was that maybe the Obama administration wants to secure the Saudi oil for America and even the European leaders would probably want to secure oil for themselves. Who knows, they may be cooperating even with China! So that a UN military force would be sent to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Anders Lindman]

One interesting thing with conspiracy theories is that often it's possible to go layer by layer, lies upon lies. As one person working for an intelligence agency said: the lie is different at every level.

So for example, at the common 'sheeple' public level, there is no global peak oil problem. On the next level there is a global peak oil problem. On the level above that there is a peak oil problem, but not as a real problem.

 

[TheRedWorm]

No, you daft person.

 

[Craig4]

One interesting thing with conspiracy theories is that often it's possible to go layer by layer, lies upon lies. As one person working for an intelligence agency said: the lie is different at every level.

So for example, at the common 'sheeple' public level, there is no global peak oil problem. On the next level there is a global peak oil problem. On the level above that there is a peak oil problem, but not as a real problem.

You see, rational people don't believe things for which there is no evidence.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You see, rational people don't believe things for which there is no evidence.

And that's why those who have the real information keep it to themselves. It's like in financial investments and things like that. Those who really have the real information are not willing to share that information publicly, because then they cannot make billions of dollars themselves while letting the sheeple investors take risks. And they have even managed to make people believe that taking risks is necessary when it comes to financial investments! That's how much fooled ordinary people are.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The idea of controlling the sheeple through mass media is not new.

"Although this science of mass psychology will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions are generated." -- Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society

 

[Craig4]

And that's why those who have the real information keep it to themselves. It's like in financial investments and things like that. Those who really have the real information are not willing to share that information publicly, because then they cannot make billions of dollars themselves while letting the sheeple investors take risks. And they have even managed to make people believe that taking risks is necessary when it comes to financial investments! That's how much fooled ordinary people are.

Don't know much about investing do you? In point of fact investing in publicly traded companies is very transparent. Derivatives trading becomes less so. However, both equity markets and debt markets are extremely transparent. You'll probably say they aren't but since you have yet to support any of your other whacky ideas I'm not expecting anything else here.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Don't know much about investing do you? In point of fact investing in publicly traded companies is very transparent. Derivatives trading becomes less so. However, both equity markets and debt markets are extremely transparent. You'll probably say they aren't but since you have yet to support any of your other whacky ideas I'm not expecting anything else here.

That's a too gullible view I strongly suspect. Some big traders have information that ordinary investors don't have, and they can use that information to invest without risk. If you for example would know that Google would buy Apple before ordinary traders you could make a huge amount of money from that knowledge. The big banksters probably have such knowledge, and/or through some big boys fancy club.

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

That's a too gullible view I strongly suspect. Some big traders have information that ordinary investors don't have, and they can use that information to invest without risk. If you for example would know that Google would buy Apple before ordinary traders you could make a huge amount of money from that knowledge. The big banksters probably have such knowledge, and/or through some big boys fancy club.

The term is 'insider trading' I believe and the person or organisation conducting such activities risks prosecution. Not that this is necessarily a deterrent of course...

 

[Anders Lindman]

The term is 'insider trading' I believe and the person or organisation conducting such activities risks prosecution. Not that this is necessarily a deterrent of course...

There are probably many ways in which insider information can be swapped or retried in other ways, some of which may even be legal (although unethical).

 

[Craig4]

That's a too gullible view I strongly suspect. Some big traders have information that ordinary investors don't have, and they can use that information to invest without risk. If you for example would know that Google would buy Apple before ordinary traders you could make a huge amount of money from that knowledge. The big banksters probably have such knowledge, and/or through some big boys fancy club.

You really need to read "The Big Short" by Mike Lewis. Those big traders who invest risk free you mean like Bear Sterns, AIG and Lehman Brothers? Some big boys fancy club. The reality is much more frightening than your fantasy. The vast investment banks that drive most of the world's economy engage in risky behavior and get involved in trades they don't understand. That should be what's keeping you up at night, not fantasizing about some fictitious cabal of puppet masters.