Is Obama planning to attack Saudi Arabia?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Actually, both sides would be glowing in the dark. It´s not a huge victory if some of your cities are reduced to rubble.

I was responding to Anders latest asinine theory that only the US ever had nuclear weapons and the russkies were just faking it.

I can't imagine the US would have suffered the commies for very long if they literally held all the cards.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If there were no protests to begin with then no troops would be needed and Obama would save billions of dollars that could be used to buy Oil or develop alternatives..

 

[Anders Lindman]

If there were no protests to begin with then no troops would be needed and Obama would save billions of dollars that could be used to buy Oil or develop alternatives..

Here's an alternative that looks really interesting:

"Cold Fusion From Italy Nearly Commercial Ready

Friday and Saturday, January 14th and 15th of 2011 seem to be a threshold for energy production. Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi at the University of Bologna demonstrated and conducted a news conference about their “cold fusion”, or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or as they suggest it be called, a “catalyst reaction” energy uprating device. Time will tell to whom goes the technology domain, be it physics or chemistry or even a new field drawing on both."

Full article: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...ld-fusion-from-italy-nearly-commercial-ready/

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

Here's an alternative that looks really interesting:

"Cold Fusion From Italy Nearly Commercial Ready

Friday and Saturday, January 14th and 15th of 2011 seem to be a threshold for energy production. Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi at the University of Bologna demonstrated and conducted a news conference about their “cold fusion”, or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or as they suggest it be called, a “catalyst reaction” energy uprating device. Time will tell to whom goes the technology domain, be it physics or chemistry or even a new field drawing on both."

Full article: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...ld-fusion-from-italy-nearly-commercial-ready/

Don't send any money yet.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Already has its own thread
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198040

 

[Sledge]

Do you think there is any difference between what Obama wants and the CIA wants? Surely they want the same thing: first protests, then military troops to calm down the protests.

Is there a reason you keep pulling stuff out of your arse and posting it?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Is there a reason you keep pulling stuff out of your arse and posting it?

Cold fusion tipped it for me: I now seriously suspect this is performance art.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Some news articles talk about a potential conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, such as:

"Bahrain in epicenter of a cold war between Saudi Arabia and Iran

Interview with Guido Steinberg , expert with the German Institute for International and Security Affairs.

In the case of the US, the main interest is stability of oil and gas, not from Bahrain, I do not think it is exporting at all any more, but from Saudi Arabia, from the region in general, and that is why Bahrain is crucial. Secondly the US is interested in the NATO base in Bahrain which is important for them."

Full story: http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/03/17/47573970.html

On the other hand, the article from the Council on Foreign Relations talked about the Bahrain incident as not being about Iran. And while mainstream media may change their stories from not to dropping the not, the CFR stories are probably more stable, so that a 'not' remains a not. So I don't think there is any conspiracy, at least not from the west, to try to create a conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Anders Lindman]

"Washington’s stark choice: democracy or Riyadh

Events of the past three months have shattered many assumptions about the Middle East. The endurance of America’s special relationship with Saudi Arabia may now be next, especially as the presence of Saudi troops on Bahraini soil presents the White House with a stark choice between relations with Riyadh and support for democracy.

The US-Saudi relationship is special mainly because America is the world’s leading consumer of crude oil, and Saudi Arabia its largest supplier. This mutual self-interest helped the two withstand the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks, with personal ties between the Bush family and the Saudi royals helping to limit the long-term fallout. " [my emphasis ]

Full story: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/493c8dd0-50b7-11e0-9227-00144feab49a.html#axzz1GsiETdwS

 

[Craig4]

Anders,

You pretty much fall for every obvious crack pot idea out there. Why? How does getting lead around by your nose by a bunch of lunatic freaks benefit you?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders,

You pretty much fall for every obvious crack pot idea out there. Why? How does getting lead around by your nose by a bunch of lunatic freaks benefit you?

It's often serious and well-respected sources I quote! Sure, I select articles that relate to my conspiracy theory, but it's usually from ordinary mainstream media.

 

[Craig4]

It's often serious and well-respected sources I quote! Sure, I select articles that relate to my conspiracy theory, but it's usually from ordinary mainstream media.

No, your presentation about the whole "only the US has nukes" was by a complete crack pot. You cite articles from mainstream newspapers but they don't relate to your whacky ideas. The thing about the no planes on 9/11, where to start ripping that one up. Seriously dude, you fall for the most freakishly bizarre stuff. What does this much gullibility get you?

 

[Anders Lindman]

No, your presentation about the whole "only the US has nukes" was by a complete crack pot. You cite articles from mainstream newspapers but they don't relate to your whacky ideas. The thing about the no planes on 9/11, where to start ripping that one up. Seriously dude, you fall for the most freakishly bizarre stuff. What does this much gullibility get you?

I think the presenter of the only the US has nukes video had found many interesting things. He seemed a bit eccentric, but presented valid facts imo, except what seemed to smack of Communist conspiracy paranoia which appeared somewhat wacky to me. But one must remember that back in the 60s for example, people were really paranoid about the Soviet Union.

 

[dudalb]

Cold fusion tipped it for me: I now seriously suspect this is performance art.

Or an unusually energetic troll.

 

[TSR]

"Washington’s stark choice: democracy or Riyadh

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The US-Saudi relationship is special mainly because America is the world’s leading consumer of crude oil, and Saudi Arabia its largest supplier.

< ... >

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Emphasis mine this time.

Since this is demonstrably wrong, why should we take any of the rest of this article seriously?
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[Anders Lindman]

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Emphasis mine this time.

Since this is demonstrably wrong, why should we take any of the rest of this article seriously?
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Hmm... You're right. Saudi Arabia is only the third largest oil exporter to the U.S. according to for example: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Strange blunder. Here is the article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/493c8dd0-50b7-11e0-9227-00144feab49a.html#ixzz1Gtgsvjeo

The above link sometimes doesn't work (subscription required). Here is an alternative link to the same article: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNFHOW5B3P0PnII9KR0F_EdAwyCkwg&cad=rja

 

[TSR]

Hmm... You're right. Saudi Arabia is only the third largest oil exporter to the U.S. according to for example: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

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And since this fact has been pointed out to you in this very thread, and since the author of the "article" you uncritically cite got this very basic fact wrong, why should anything zie or you say be taken seriously?
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[dudalb]

Here's an alternative that looks really interesting:

"Cold Fusion From Italy Nearly Commercial Ready

Friday and Saturday, January 14th and 15th of 2011 seem to be a threshold for energy production. Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi at the University of Bologna demonstrated and conducted a news conference about their “cold fusion”, or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or as they suggest it be called, a “catalyst reaction” energy uprating device. Time will tell to whom goes the technology domain, be it physics or chemistry or even a new field drawing on both."

Full article: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...ld-fusion-from-italy-nearly-commercial-ready/

I smell another Cold Fusion Scam on it's way.......

 

[TheRedWorm]

He never responds to the posts calling him a troll. Since he's been called out, how does he respond?

 

[Anders Lindman]

I smell another Cold Fusion Scam on it's way.......

I don't think cold fusion was a scam. My guess is what they found (see for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OabYImeDSc ) was not cold fusion, but vacuum energy!

"Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space even when the space is devoid of matter (free space). The concept of vacuum energy has been deduced from the concept of virtual particles, which is itself derived from the energy-time uncertainty principle. The effects of vacuum energy can be observed in various phenomena such as spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect, the van der Waals bonds and the Lamb shift, and are thought to influence the behavior of the Universe on cosmological scales. " -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

So instead of cold fusion, what really happens I suspect, is vacuum energy quantum effects on a small scale, such as the Casimir effect, giving rise to an increase of energy.