Fundraiser for women's shelter turns into teabagger hate parade

[Bill Thompson]

Christianity is more of an immediate threat, and in fact is winning over secularism where I live. So why should I not worry about Christianity more than I worry about Islam?

Like what? What laws are being passed where you live that is destroying your life? I am guessing they are petty, but I am not sure until you tell me. Let me guess. Safe sex cannot be taught in public schools? Is that one?

Do they compare to Shria Law:

 

[Newtons Bit]

I have read it many times from their official documentation.

My particular Christian denomination reads Genesis literally (one of my few doctrinal differences). They do the same with the rest of the Bible.

 

[bookitty]

People who call themselves Mormon still practice multiple marrages but the LDS church has abandoned it.

Just because there are some people who call themselves Christian who are creationists does not mean major christian sects officially are against evolution.

All major sects of Christianity do not have a problem with evolution.
The Westburo Baptist Church does not count and is not officially connected with Southern Baptists.

You are somehow running on emotion and want to pick apart my posts rather than reading them and understanding what I have to say. That is pretty sad and says alot to me about defenders of Islam.

Not quite. Some extremists from all major sects of Christianity have a problem with evolution. Under the umbrella of Christianity, the incredibly unscientific idea of a young earth is protected enough to be an on-going threat to the way we teach science in public schools.

 

[A'isha]

I have read it many times from their official documentation.

That's funny, because their official documentation says the exact opposite.

Take, for instance, the Southern Baptists. They're the largest Protestant denomination in America. They're the second-largest Christian denomination overall.

And what does their "official documentation" say?

The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.

All Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society.

A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation.

It's all right here.

That's just their declaration of faith, though. They expand on what they mean elsewhere.

Here, for instance, is the resolution condemning the teaching of Evolution in favor of Creationism.

Here is them condemning a book about evolution, based on their doctrine that the Bible should be read literally.

Here is another resolution confirming their belief in the literalness and inerrant accuracy of the Bible.

And so what does that mean? What is your point? How many of these countries in West Africa are Muslim? How many of those areas in India are because of the influence of Islam? How many of those area in South Asia are Muslim?

The answer to all three of your questions, by the way, is "not the majority". And if Islam is the problem (according to you), how come areas of the world that aren't fully Muslim have child marriage rates higher than the area that is fully Muslim (the Middle East)? And how come an area that isn't Muslim in the least, but overwhelmingly Christian, have a rate of child marriage higher than the only solely-Muslim area?

Which Muslim countries in Latin America are skewing their percentage, do you think?

 

[Bill Thompson]

My particular Christian denomination reads Genesis literally (one of my few doctrinal differences). They do the same with the rest of the Bible.

There is a discussion thread in the Humor section of this web site where vague and incomplete posts are to be made. Maybe you intended to make your post there. Is your church connected to any major Christian sects or are you just basically supporting what I already said? Are the a member of the Roman Catholic Church? Are they a member of the Southerm Baptist Church?

 

[Bill Thompson]

ANTPogo, without knowing it you are supporting what I have said. A resolution form 1982 from the Baptist Church supporting the teaching of creationism does not mean anythnig. In fact, you show proof that the Southern Baptists (in other links you provide) do NOT interpret the bible literally and that it is just a book "inspired by God". Otherwise, they would have to be butting heads with people who understand the world is a sphere since it is described as a flat disc in the bible.

Also, I don't thnk you know that large segments of South East Asia are Muslim as well as large segments of India and Africa.

Are you arguing that because there are teen brides in Latin America, this makes Islam OK?

And, by the way, your linked page does not specifically say "evolution should not be taught" and the wording does not specifically say that creationism is better. It is more of a declaration of free speech. THere is a hell of a big difference where books showing fault in Islam are not even accessable in Muslim countries and even the interenet is controlled.

 

[Newtons Bit]

There is a discussion thread in the Humor section of this web site where vague and incomplete posts are to be made. Is your church connected to any major Christian sects or are you just basically supporting what I already said? Are the a member of the Roman Catholic Church? Are they a member of the Southerm Baptist Church?

Lutheran. We're international, don'cha'know.

 

[leftysergeant]

And so what does that mean? What is your point?

The stats for Latin America just bit your face off.

Poverty, anarchy and a short life expectacy are the determinants, not Islam.

 

[Cleon]

ANTPogo, without knowing it you are supporting what I have said. A resolution form 1982 from the Baptist Church supporting the teaching of creationism does not mean anythnig. In fact, you show proof that the Southern Baptists (in other links you provide) do NOT interpret the bible literally and that it is just a book "inspired by God". Otherwise, they would have to be butting heads with people who understand the world is a sphere since it is described as a flat disc in the bible.

How do you do that? How do you see "all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy" and conclude this means they don't take the Bible literally? Does "totally true" mean something different on planet Bill? That's what "literally" means - totally true.

I'm completely flummoxed by your seemingly endless ability to ignore reality and see only what you want to see.

And, by the way, your linked page does not specifically say "evolution should not be taught" and the wording does not specifically say that creationism is better.

That's a heluva load of crap, and you know it.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Not quite. Some extremists from all major sects of Christianity have a problem with evolution. Under the umbrella of Christianity, the incredibly unscientific idea of a young earth is protected enough to be an on-going threat to the way we teach science in public schools.

That is pretty much exactly what I have said. So what is your point?

 

[Bill Thompson]

How do you do that? How do you see "all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy" and conclude this means they don't take the Bible literally? Does "totally true" mean something different on planet Bill? That's what "literally" means - totally true.

I'm completely flummoxed by your ability to completely ignore reality and see only what you want to see.

The inspired word of god is not the literal word of god. They admit it is just the inspired word of god.

They take scripture to be true to mean its morals and ethics are true, not that the universe is a few thousand years old and that the moon and the earth and the sun once stopped moving.

They would all have to belong to The Flat Earth Society to think the bible is literally true.

That's a heluva load of crap, and you know it.

Nah Uh, read the link for yourself. It stesses free speech and having an open mind. We should all be for that.

If you don't believe me, just ask the web site authors. You can contact them easily. This is what they tell me.

 

[Bill Thompson]

The stats for Latin America just bit your face off.

Poverty, anarchy and a short life expectacy are the determinants, not Islam.

I don't think the stats about teen marrages apply even apply to the issue. There is a difference between marrying off your daughter when she is 16 or 15 and marrying off your daughter when she is 9. I have never heard of girls dieing in Latin America because of injuries their bodies had on their honeymoon because they were not mature for sex, but I had heard of this happening in Saudi Arabia and Iran. I cannot see marrying your daughter off when she is 9 is influenced by poverty alone. They are trying to emulate The Prophet. And this is supported by clerics.

 

[A'isha]

ANTPogo, without knowing it you are supporting what I have said. A resolution form 1982 from the Baptist Church supporting the teaching of creationism does not mean anythnig.

It means they support creationism and condemn the teaching of evolution. Contrary to what you said about them.

In fact, you show proof that the Southern Baptists (in other links you provide) do NOT interpret the bible literally and that it is just a book "inspired by God". Otherwise, they would have to be butting heads with people who understand the world is a sphere since it is described as a flat disc in the bible.

So not only do you not understand what "biblical inerrancy" means, you also think that their explicit declaration that they have a "belief in a literal biblical creation" doesn't actually mean they believe in a literal biblical creation?

Also, I don't thnk you know that large segments of South East Asia is Muslim as well as large segments of India and Africa.

The site I linked you lists the top 20 countries in order, from highest to lowest percentages, which are "child marriage hotspots." Only 6 of those countries have a Muslim population that's equal to or greater than half of the total population. 12 have a Muslim population a third or less than the total population. 2 have a Muslim population of less than five percent. 7 have a majority (often an overwhelming majority) of Christians in them (in other words, there are more majority-Christian nations than majority-Muslim nations on that list). One of them has a Muslim population of effectively zero, and is in our hemisphere!

Not a single one is a Middle East country, where the populations are almost exclusively Muslim. Neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia are on that list.

If the child marriage problem is an Islam problem, how do you account for that?

 

[A'isha]

The inspired word of god is not the literal word of god. They admit it is just the inspired word of god.

So, when they actually used the word "literal", they didn't mean it?

 

[Cleon]

The inspired word of god is not the literal word of god. They admit it is just the inspired word of god.

They take scripture to be true to mean its morals and ethics are true, not that the universe is a few thousand years old and that the moon and the earth and the sun once stopped moving.

No, Bill. That is simply not an accurate representation of their beliefs. There's no way that BS is going to pass as reality here. "Totally true" means totally true.

Bill, you live in a state where there are probably more Hari Krishnas than Southern Baptists. Some of us live in regions where they represent a major part of the voting population, and they are not shy about their complete belief in a literal interpretation of the Bible. Ditto for Pentacostals, as well as the miscellaneous "nondenomenational" megachurches that dot the landscape around these parts.

You are simply spinning a web of crap here, and it's really, really obvious.

They would all have to belong to The Flat Earth Society to think the bible is literally true.

You may not think they're good at Biblical literalism, but take it literally they most assuredly do (or try to).

 

[Newtons Bit]

According to the International Center for Research on Women, West Africa, Central/South Asia (which is mainly India), East/Central Africa, the Carribean, and freaking Latin America all have a higher percentage of child marriages than the Middle East (ranking from highest to lowest).

Even in the Middle East, the problem varies. Jordan, for instance, has a child marriage rate only slightly higher than that of the United States (and less than half of the rate in the decidedly-not-Muslim country of Nicararagua).

Where are you seeing stats on the United States from that link?

 

[Taarkin]

All Muslim sects demand that the Quran be interpreted literally.

Do...do you actually believe that this?

 

[A'isha]

Where are you seeing stats on the United States from that link?

There is a graph giving side-by-side comparisons of percentages by country at the report linked where it says "Too Young To Wed". The US is in that chart.

I'm posting this from my Droid, so I can't link directly at the moment.

 

[leftysergeant]

I don't think the stats about teen marrages apply even apply to the issue. There is a difference between marrying off your daughter when she is 16 or 15 and marrying off your daughter when she is 9. I have never heard of girls dieing in Latin America because of injuries their bodies had on their honeymoon because they were not mature for sex, but I had heard of this happening in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Document that.

I cannot see marrying your daughter off when she is 9 is influenced by poverty alone.

You have never experienced that sort of poverty that would lead to such things happening. I wish that that wwere the worst of what coulld happen. Some cultures outrightly kill girls just for being girls. You got a problem with that? Then you need to be getting in the faces of the Chinese leadership

Did you know that, in a ddition to being the first holy book to specificly state that women were entitled to property rights and a part of their husbands' estates, the Qur'an promises a most horrid damnation for those who practice female infanticide?

 

[Newtons Bit]

There is a graph giving side-by-side comparisons of percentages by country at the report linked where it says "Too Young To Wed". The US is in that chart.

I'm posting this from my Droid, so I can't link directly at the moment.

Thanks.

I've taken a look at the sources they use for that data and there are a number of middle-eastern countries that we would probably classify as the "worst offenders" that are missing from the datasets, notably Saudi Arabia (also Afghanistan, but that's not middle-east). The countries they are using for the middle-east set are generally (but not always) the most educated of the set.

I don't think the data can really support any conclusions as to a specific religion being a culprit more than others.