Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

DGM said:
Nice try but, It's that 10% he hopes to sell his book to. It's that simple.


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And then there is the "Emperor's New Clothes" effect if you present your idea well enough with an appeal to authority (engineer and published political author).
 
twinstead said:
Successive hijacks. LOL

Yea. Explain that people. Unless you do, it's INSIDE JOB!!!11!!!1!!!!!
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Suppose the hijacks had not been in close succession. What are the alternatives? Well, they could have been
  • simultaneous. It is easy to imagine how mehmetin or other truthers would take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job
  • timed so far apart thar the air force would have had enough time to react. Had the plot still succeeded, it would be a no-brainer to take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job

So, no matter how they had done it, every possible scenario would have been construed by mehmetin as proof of something more evil than Muslims could, by the grace of FSM, possibly be.
 
Oystein said:
Suppose the hijacks had not been in close succession. What are the alternatives? Well, they could have been
  • simultaneous. It is easy to imagine how mehmetin or other truthers would take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job
  • timed so far apart thar the air force would have had enough time to react. Had the plot still succeeded, it would be a no-brainer to take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job

So, no matter how they had done it, every possible scenario would have been construed by mehmetin as proof of something more evil than Muslims could, by the grace of FSM, possibly be.
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Yes, it looks like the plan was to take over four planes full of fuel in as close a time as they could get to minimize any chance of interference (which failed in one instance). All they needed was flight schedules.
 
yea but how did stone-age Arabs in a cave have access to flight schedules?

INSIDE JOB!!111!!!!111!!!1!
 
Read the 911 Report.
The pilots began training in the US and received at least single-engine licenses.
Hanjour got a commercial ticket in 1997.
Jarrah got a single-engine license in August 2000.
Atta and Sehhi had commercial licenses by the end of 2000.
 
Oystein said:
Suppose the hijacks had not been in close succession. What are the alternatives? Well, they could have been
  • simultaneous. It is easy to imagine how mehmetin or other truthers would take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job
  • timed so far apart thar the air force would have had enough time to react. Had the plot still succeeded, it would be a no-brainer to take that as proof for inside (or Jewish) job
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Good question! What are the alternatives?

Here is a possible time graphic of the hijacks if there was 4 teams.

Timeline4teams911.jpg


The construction of that time graphic is made as follow:
AA11: Deviates at 8:14 (15 min after take off) as it happened. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the twin towers and hit them.
UA175: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns a little left toward the twin towers and hit them.
AA77: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns back and hit the Pentagon 15 minutes later near their take off airport.
UA93: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the white house and they hit it.

You can that the hijacks and impacts should have happened in a shorter time. The only constant time is the gap between take off and deviation. By the level off of the plane that gap could change a little, let’s tell roughly it could be from 10 to 26 minutes. But mainly that will not change the graphic too much. Any way, it’s impossible to fit it like it actually happened.

Edit, to add the graphic according to the given "level off" times:
TimelineLeveloff911.jpg


As you can see, that did not happen; the graphic is too much different from the actual graphic. Also, I do not know how the level off times are true. They come from beachnut.

The timeline is the "fingerprint" of the hijack method. It makes possible the identification of the used method for the hijacks.

Sorry for this late answer, but I am busy now and have no much time to read and write here.
 
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mehmetin said:
Good question! What are the alternatives?

Here is a possible time graphic of the hijacks if there was 4 teams.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline4teams911.jpg[/qimg]

The construction of that time graphic is made as follow:
AA11: Deviates at 8:14 (15 min after take off) as it happened. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the twin towers and hit them.
UA175: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns a little left toward the twin towers and hit them.
AA77: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns back and hit the Pentagon 15 minutes later near their take off airport.
UA93: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the white house and they hit it.

You can that the hijacks and impacts should have happened in a shorter time. The only constant time is the gap between take off and deviation. By the level off of the plane that gap could change a little, let’s tell roughly it could be from 10 to 26 minutes. But mainly that will not change the graphic too much. Any way, it’s impossible to fit it like it actually happened.

Edit, to add the graphic according to the given "level off" times:
[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/TimelineLeveloff911.jpg[/qimg]

As you can see, that did not happen; the graphic is too much different from the actual graphic. Also, I do not know how the level off times are true. They come from beachnut.

The timeline is the "fingerprint" of the hijack method. It makes possible the identification of the used method for the hijacks.

Sorry for this late answer, but I am busy now and have no much time to read and write here.
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Your problem is you know nothing about flying and the hijackers did. They waited until the planes were on auto-pilot (level cruise) so they're work load on take over would be much less.


You really are pathetic.
 
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mehmetin said:
Good question! What are the alternatives?

Here is a possible time graphic of the hijacks if there was 4 teams.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline4teams911.jpg[/qimg]

The construction of that time graphic is made as follow:
AA11: Deviates at 8:14 (15 min after take off) as it happened. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the twin towers and hit them.
UA175: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns a little left toward the twin towers and hit them.
AA77: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns back and hit the Pentagon 15 minutes later near their take off airport.
UA93: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the white house and they hit it.
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I highlighted the important word: Yes, this is a possible time graphic, but there are hundreds and thousands of possible time graphics! Someone could do the math, maybe it is even millions or billions, depending on how finely you measure time and what constraints you want to stay within. For example, time between scheduled and actual take-off could be anywhere from 0 to 240 minutes. Between take-off and hijack anywhere from, say, 5 to 60 minutes. Etc.

mehmetin said:
You can that the hijacks and impacts should have happened in a shorter time.
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No, I cannot see that.
Why should they have happened in a shorter time? Why? There is no reason at all for your constant 15-minutes-after-take-off routine. Why is it impossible for any team to get into action after 16 minutes instead of 15? What is impossible about 17, 22, 29 or 41 minutes? Nothing! Any delay between take-off and hijack is possible! Or can you give a reason why any would be impossible, or why only 15 minutes would be possible?

mehmetin said:
The only constant time is the gap between take off and deviation. By the level off of the plane that gap could change a little, let’s tell roughly it could be from 10 to 26 minutes. But mainly that will not change the graphic too much. Any way, it’s impossible to fit it like it actually happened.
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No, it isn't impossible at all.
So lets say hijackers planned to wait till plane levels off. Why could that not be 27 minutes? And why not 9 minutes? And what compelling reason is there to start action immediately after plane has levelled off? Maybe they prayed a little longer? Maybe they weren't sure when the plane levelled off? Maybe a flight attendand pushed an juice cart through the wrong aisle in first class and made the group wait a few more minutes? Maybe they hesitated because they were nervous or fearful? Anything is possible, nothing is impossible!

mehmetin said:
Edit, to add the graphic according to the given "level off" times:
[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/TimelineLeveloff911.jpg[/qimg]

As you can see, that did not happen; the graphic is too much different from the actual graphic. Also, I do not know how the level off times are true. They come from beachnut.
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You are right: As so often, you do not know something that is crucial for your theory. But so what? Thousands or billions of time tables are possible! And they are all different, more or less, from each other.

mehmetin said:
The timeline is the "fingerprint" of the hijack method. It makes possible the identification of the used method for the hijacks.
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No. It is a random event out of a set of thousands or billions of possible events.

mehmetin said:
Sorry for this late answer, but I am busy now and have no much time to read and write here.
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No problem.
 
Oystein said:
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No, it isn't impossible at all.
So lets say hijackers planned to wait till plane levels off. Why could that not be 27 minutes? And why not 9 minutes? And what compelling reason is there to start action immediately after plane has levelled off? Maybe they prayed a little longer? Maybe they weren't sure when the plane levelled off? Maybe a flight attendand pushed an juice cart through the wrong aisle in first class and made the group wait a few more minutes? Maybe they hesitated because they were nervous or fearful? Anything is possible, nothing is impossible!
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The "triggering phrase" for the 19 Muslim hijackers to begin to act was:
"The captain has turned off the seat belt light. You (especially the 19 Muslim hijackers) are now free to move around the cabin."
And by coinkydinky, this point is reached when the planes hijacked by the 19 Muslims leveled to start the constant altitude cruise mode to the West Coast.
 
mehmetin said:
Good question! What are the alternatives?

Here is a possible time graphic of the hijacks if there was 4 teams.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline4teams911.jpg[/qimg]

The construction of that time graphic is made as follow:
AA11: Deviates at 8:14 (15 min after take off) as it happened. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the twin towers and hit them.
UA175: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns a little left toward the twin towers and hit them.
AA77: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns back and hit the Pentagon 15 minutes later near their take off airport.
UA93: Deviates also 15 minutes after take off. The hijackers immediately turns left toward the white house and they hit it.

You can that the hijacks and impacts should have happened in a shorter time. The only constant time is the gap between take off and deviation. By the level off of the plane that gap could change a little, let’s tell roughly it could be from 10 to 26 minutes. But mainly that will not change the graphic too much. Any way, it’s impossible to fit it like it actually happened.

Edit, to add the graphic according to the given "level off" times:
[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/TimelineLeveloff911.jpg[/qimg]

As you can see, that did not happen; the graphic is too much different from the actual graphic. Also, I do not know how the level off times are true. They come from beachnut.

The timeline is the "fingerprint" of the hijack method. It makes possible the identification of the used method for the hijacks.

Sorry for this late answer, but I am busy now and have no much time to read and write here.
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Cool story bro.

I suggest you google Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy before embarrassing yourself further.
 
Oystein said:
I highlighted the important word: Yes, this is a possible time graphic, but there are hundreds and thousands of possible time graphics! Someone could do the math, maybe it is even millions or billions, depending on how finely you measure time and what constraints you want to stay within. For example, time between scheduled and actual take-off could be anywhere from 0 to 240 minutes. Between take-off and hijack anywhere from, say, 5 to 60 minutes. Etc.
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= Deny the truth.

Oystein said:
No, I cannot see that.
Why should they have happened in a shorter time? Why? There is no reason at all for your constant 15-minutes-after-take-off routine. Why is it impossible for any team to get into action after 16 minutes instead of 15? What is impossible about 17, 22, 29 or 41 minutes? Nothing! Any delay between take-off and hijack is possible! Or can you give a reason why any would be impossible, or why only 15 minutes would be possible?
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Why a shorter time? But it’s easy! Don’t you understand? They had to finish at 9:12 or 9:22. The actual end time is 10:06!

If there was 4 teams, all hijacks could have been made from 8:14 to 9:12, less than one hour, 58minutes. The actual times are from 8:14 to 10:06 (=112 minutes), about two times longer than it could happen! Why should 4 teams making such hijack multiply the action time by 2? There is no explanation. The hijacks were made by Mossad/Bush administration.

Oystein said:
No, it isn't impossible at all.
So lets say hijackers planned to wait till plane levels off. Why could that not be 27 minutes? And why not 9 minutes? And what compelling reason is there to start action immediately after plane has levelled off? Maybe they prayed a little longer? Maybe they weren't sure when the plane levelled off? Maybe a flight attendand pushed an juice cart through the wrong aisle in first class and made the group wait a few more minutes? Maybe they hesitated because they were nervous or fearful? Anything is possible, nothing is impossible!
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The suggestion of waiting for level off comes from beachnut, see http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6936712&postcount=974 . That timeline contains maximum level of time as 26 minutes, that’s the proposed limit from him. Sure there is no reason for that.

And the actual time graphic shows that such thing did not happen. You still need to explain the actual time graphic.

Oystein said:
You are right: As so often, you do not know something that is crucial for your theory. But so what? Thousands or billions of time tables are possible! And they are all different, more or less, from each other.

No. It is a random event out of a set of thousands or billions of possible events.

No problem.
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You are right, Thousands or billions of time tables are possible! But you forget, ONLY ONE actually happened, and that only time graphic should be explained. Up to now, NONE of you, NONE of the official reports, NONE of the official people explained the actual time graphic! The official story does not fit to the actual time graphic. That means the official story is FALSE.
 
mehmetin said:
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Why a shorter time? But it’s easy! Don’t you understand? They had to finish at 9:12 or 9:22. The actual end time is 10:06!
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Where at's your proof of this particular schedule?
Noises in your head isn't proof.
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If there was 4 teams, all hijacks could have been made from 8:14 to 9:12, less than one hour, 58minutes. The actual times are from 8:14 to 10:06 (=112 minutes), about two times longer than it could happen! Why should 4 teams making such hijack multiply the action time by 2? There is no explanation. The hijacks were made by Mossad/Bush administration.
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"There is no explanation".... and then you trot out an explanation.
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The suggestion of waiting for level off comes from beachnut, see http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6936712&postcount=974 . That timeline contains maximum level of time as 26 minutes, that’s the proposed limit from him. Sure there is no reason for that.
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Why couldn't each team of the 19 Muslim terrorist/murderers act at different times?
They couldn't communicate with each other... cell phones can't work, remember?
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And the actual time graphic shows that such thing did not happen. You still need to explain the actual time graphic.
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You are right, Thousands or billions of time tables are possible! But you forget, ONLY ONE actually happened, and that only time graphic should be explained. Up to now, NONE of you, NONE of the official reports, NONE of the official people explained the actual time graphic! The official story does not fit to the actual time graphic. That means the official story is FALSE.
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Lots of bolding and use of colors is typical of the problems a nutcase has.
 
twinstead said:
I know a few Muslims, but not many. I hope not many of them are like mehmetin, because that scares the hell out of me.
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I know a few, they are all nice rational people......mehmetin is crazy and he just happens to be a muslim just like Jammo is crazy and happens to be a Brit.
 
mehmetin said:
Up to now, NONE of you, NONE of the official reports, NONE of the official people explained the actual time graphic! The official story does not fit to the actual time graphic. That means the official story is FALSE.
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Can anyone tell me why we're paying attention to some radical muslim from a 3rd world country?

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"If there was 4 teams, all hijacks could have been made from 8:14 to 9:12, less than one hour, 58minutes. The actual times are from 8:14 to 10:06 (=112 minutes), about two times longer than it could happen! Why should 4 teams making such hijack multiply the action time by 2? There is no explanation."
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You cannot just create an artitary time they should have done it in. That makes no sense at all. Perhaps a better organised and professional team would have tried to have all hijacking to occur at once but the terrorists were lead by insane men and the rest were just stupid heavies. They likely had to create fake bombs on board and the delay was in getting that done and the leaders then plucking up the courage to actually carry out the plan,



"The hijacks were made by Mossad/Bush administration."

So why would they be so inefficient? not a noted characteristic of the Mossad! :confused:
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Why not if he actually had some evidence to look at?:rolleyes:.....all this fool has is fantasy and ignorance just like all the other truthers.
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Yeah, and you wonder why he's ignoring the facts that radical muslims do in fact & truth kill unarmed innocent men, women & children. I bet Meh gets a kick out of it & laughs each time he hears about the latest bombings & killings.
 
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