Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made
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Sideroxylon
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Yeah, still don't get it Mehmet. Perhaps I'm dense. Perhaps you are not good at explaining it. Perhaps it sounds reasonable to your mind but is in fact complete baloney.
And on the 72 virgins thing, though there may be no good support for the idea in the Qur'an or hadith, it does appear to be a motivator for suicide attacks by Muslims. It seems there are terrorist organisers using this line to get impressionable people to do the unthinkable. This apparently is the finding of a Mary Sharpe, author of a Cambridge sponsored survey that involved questioning failed bombers in prisons. I don't have full publication details to hand but may soon.
And on the 72 virgins thing, though there may be no good support for the idea in the Qur'an or hadith, it does appear to be a motivator for suicide attacks by Muslims. It seems there are terrorist organisers using this line to get impressionable people to do the unthinkable. This apparently is the finding of a Mary Sharpe, author of a Cambridge sponsored survey that involved questioning failed bombers in prisons. I don't have full publication details to hand but may soon.
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Why even have any persons on the planes, much less the 19 Muslim murderers that were there, if everything is remotely controlled, from the disabling of the real pilots; the guys that sit in the little room at the front of the plane and control it from there; to directing the flights to the ultimate targets, using those Tomahawk cruise missile autopilots, which are also capable of tying up some members of the flight crews and passengers and pushing buttons on the flight mode panels?
And looking at the flight path data after taking over the planes, these Tomahawk autopilots did pretty poorly in maintaining altitudes, airspeeds and approaches to the targets.
The data looks almost as if some moderately trained people were flying the airplanes, instead of the Tomahawk crap.
Note: if the Tomahawk autopilots ever show up for sale at Achmed's war surplus supply, pass'em up, judging by the way these performed.
And looking at the flight path data after taking over the planes, these Tomahawk autopilots did pretty poorly in maintaining altitudes, airspeeds and approaches to the targets.
The data looks almost as if some moderately trained people were flying the airplanes, instead of the Tomahawk crap.
Note: if the Tomahawk autopilots ever show up for sale at Achmed's war surplus supply, pass'em up, judging by the way these performed.
EventHorizon
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And did you ever notice that you never hear anyone mention the sex of the virgins? And why would you want virgins anyway? I'd rather have 72 women that know what they're doing in bed.
I explained it too many times. But you did never understand. Why? 2 possible answers:
1- To understand any thing, you must think yourself and explain the facts yourself. Many times I asked you "How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks?" The reason of that question is making you think a little bit more. But you all refuse to think for explaining that. Ok, you gave me illogical answers like predefined times, getting simple wrist watch, or by coincidence, … All such answers are not logical ones. That means you refuse to think. If you refuse to think, you can not understand.
2- You prefer not to explain the facts which are debunking all your opinions. In that case, I can repeat the explanation hundreds times, you’ll never understand. Because your work is not discovering the truth but it’s create disinfo. That means you are disinfo agents.
One last explanation! How 4 different teams could make successive hijack? Simple:
1- 15 minutes after take off the first team start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near to their target, they pick up the phone and call the second team who are sitting in the second plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
2- Second team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, they pick up the phone and call the third team who are sitting in the third plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
3- Third team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, they pick up the phone and call the fourth team who are sitting in the fourth plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
4- Fourth team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target.
That’s the most probable possibility for 4 teams to make the successive hijack so perfectly. Does anybody think that’s a possible manner for four teams to act for the hijack four planes?
Let’s think another possibility:
1- 15 minutes after take off the first plane, a remote coordinating team call the first team who are sitting in the first plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
2- The first team starts their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near to their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the second team who are sitting in the second plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
3- Second team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the third team who are sitting in the third plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
4- Third team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the fourth team who are sitting in the fourth plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
5- Fourth team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target.
Could that be a possible action?
Are there anybody to tell “this is the manner 4 different teams made successive hijacks”?
Enjoy yourself for the explanation.
I'm still not sure what you're trying to say here. It seems now you are suggesting that it is indeed possible for 4 independent teams to do the deed.
Look, here's what happened. It's not that hard to figure out:
Plane #1 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.
Plane #2 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.
Plane #3 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.
Plane #4 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over. Passengers get wind of what's been going on and try to take back control of the plane. Terrorists crash plane into a field.
That scenario fits your chart exactly. No coordination between the two teams necessary. The 'succession' as you call it is insignificant; caused by nothing more than the different take-off times of the different planes.
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mehmetin
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For that time, we agree. Such preparation is impossible by 4 different teams. That means the succession could not be possible.
We also agree for that; this is the ONLY possibility for 4 teams to act: As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.
That opening should be between 10 to 20 minutes after take off; the first plane deviated 15 minutes after take off.
The question is: Did the planes actually deviate between 10 and 20 minutes after take off? The answer is No! The time gaps between take off and deviation are 15, 28, 34, 53 minutes. Nothing is constant.
As conclusion, we can tell: There was no plan looking like: As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building. So, there were no 4 different terrorist teams. So, no 19 Muslims were NOT involved in 9/11.
Now, you need to answer: How would Mossad/USA agents hijack the planes and make the attacks? I am listening you (=All people EventHorizon, I Ratant, Sideroxylon, twinstead, Mr. Skinny, WildCat, 911 Chewy Defense)
EventHorizon
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It's certainly a possibility but far from the only possibility.
Aha! Here it is. The flaw in your argument. Your arbitrary time of 10 to 20 minutes means nothing. You have no idea what time was best to take the plane over. You don't know if the fat guy in 4A was waiting for the lady from 6C to get out of the bathroom for 10 minutes impeding progress to the cockpit. You don't know if there were flight attendants in the aisles. You don't know if the terrorists felt they should get up and talk to each other first to make sure they were prepared. You have no clue. There's no way to know. Subsequently there's no way to know when the best time to take the plane over was.
Nothing being constant is certainly more of an indication of 4 separate teams than it is an indication of 1 coordinated effort. In fact if the times WERE exactly the same you would be declaring that suspicions and using it as evidence that it was 1 team. You're just using a Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
As I've pointed out, this is nothing more than your opinion.
What does the religion of the terrorists have to do with anything at all? It seems your prejudice makes you unable to think objectively about what happened.
There's no evidence that they did so why bring it up? I already explained what happened in my previous post:
It fits your chart. It fits the facts of what happened on 9/11. Your hate, prejudice and racism just won't allow you to see it.
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We wouldn't need to hijack commerical planes. That's what we have the military for! DUH!
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Why don't you answer my question first?
How did the teams call each other if cellphones don't work from aircraft at altitude? How did the "ground control" team call the teams if cell phones won't work?
You're the one who claims cell phones won't work on aircraft.
I explained it too many times. But you did never understand. Why? 2 possible answers:
1- To understand any thing, you must think yourself and explain the facts yourself. Many times I asked you "How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks?" The reason of that question is making you think a little bit more. But you all refuse to think for explaining that. Ok, you gave me illogical answers like predefined times, getting simple wrist watch, or by coincidence, … All such answers are not logical ones. That means you refuse to think. If you refuse to think, you can not understand.
2- You prefer not to explain the facts which are debunking all your opinions. In that case, I can repeat the explanation hundreds times, you’ll never understand. Because your work is not discovering the truth but it’s create disinfo. That means you are disinfo agents.
One last explanation! How 4 different teams could make successive hijack? Simple:
1- 15 minutes after take off the first team start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near to their target, they pick up the phone and call the second team who are sitting in the second plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
2- Second team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, they pick up the phone and call the third team who are sitting in the third plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
3- Third team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, they pick up the phone and call the fourth team who are sitting in the fourth plane’s seats to tell them : “we are about to finish, it’s time for you, you can start up; see you in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
4- Fourth team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target.
That’s the most probable possibility for 4 teams to make the successive hijack so perfectly. Does anybody think that’s a possible manner for four teams to act for the hijack four planes?
Let’s think another possibility:
1- 15 minutes after take off the first plane, a remote coordinating team call the first team who are sitting in the first plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
2- The first team starts their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near to their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the second team who are sitting in the second plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
3- Second team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the third team who are sitting in the third plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
4- Third team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do, put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target. When they are near their target, the remote coordinating team pick up the phone and call the fourth team who are sitting in the fourth plane’s seats to tell them : “It’s time for you, you can start up; enjoy yourself in the heaven with 72 virgins, cheers!”.
5- Fourth team immediately start their job, get up from their seats, run straight in the cockpit and kill the pilots like ninjas would do put the bodies of the pilots aside, seat down at their place and guide the plane to its target.
Could that be a possible action?
Are there anybody to tell “this is the manner 4 different teams made successive hijacks”?
Enjoy yourself for the explanation.
Take note of the bolded above!!!!!!!!! You now put hijackers in seats on planes on 911..........taking phone calls from crews on the ground? Have you changed your mind then??????
I thought you had clearly stated in this thread that no hijackers where physically on the planes.
I thought you stated clearly throughout this thread that the pilots and passengers where gassed.
I thought you stated clearly throughout this thread that a 'tomahawk guidance system' took control of the flight paths of those planes.
I thought you stated clearly throughout this thread that mobile/cell phones couldnt work on these planes.
Yet here you are with a double repeat of senarios of hijackers leaving their seats, running to the cockpit and killing pilots but being controled from the ground by telephone.
You seem to forget the lies you are in. Take a few deep breaths and get your lies straight before posting again..............its hard to keep up with all this handwaving, ducking & diving and outright lies. The least you can do is be consistent with them!!!!!
Troll much. lol.
Sideroxylon
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That's just his little straw man to act as a foil to his brilliant insight into what really happened.
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You did not understood that such answer is useless; the scenario I have explained is impossible. It was there to prove you that the succession of the hijacks is impossible. Sure cell phones are impossible, even if we consider the claim of some official story defenders of sometimes possible calls that could not be used or foreseen by the 4 different teams.
Four different teams scenario is definitely impossible.
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That's your credulous opinion. Nothing support it.
According to the official reports, the first team acted within 16 seconds, the pilots changed from totally normal to totally silent within 16 seconds. Such terrorists played like Ninjas, so as soon as the plane is about 15000ft in the air, they can act withour any proble.
And your claims here are not supported by any evidence.
There is ONE CONSTANT EVIDENCE, the time gap between deviation of any plane and the impact of the previous one, this is ranging from 3 to 9 minutes. That's a strong constant time which proves ONE TEAM made the strikes.
Now, you should think how Mossad/USA would do the strikes?
Sideroxylon
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Nothing to your mind supports it because you simply file any evidence to the contrary (like everything known about the terrorists involved) under lies disseminated by the imaginary figures behind your imagined plot.
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DGM
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So you base your opinion on the exactness/constant of the hijacks? What's so exact about 3 to 9 minutes? That's a 300% deviation.
You think that's automated?
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Yea, that's right. I feel better now.