Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[twinstead]

Wow. The only thing to do is say. "mehmetin you don't know what you are talking about" and walk away. Seriously. How else do you respond to garbage like this?

 

[I Ratant]

Consider the consequences of his "research".
The victory of Muslims on 9/11 is really due to the Jooz!
The Muslims are celebrating a Jooish coup!

 

[twinstead]

Consider the consequences of his "research".
The victory of Muslims on 9/11 is really due to the Jooz!
The Muslims are celebrating a Jooish coup!

That's got to be quite the dilemma for him. Most Muslims have no problem attributing 9/11 to other Muslims, even if they don't agree with their actions. For some reason mehmetin wants to give The Evil Zionists^TM the credit and with no evidence to support it--just hatred of Jews. This is denial at its best.

Weird.

 

[DGM]

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum. For a Muslim who made many years investigation, his work remains nothing if he does not challenge the Zionist's supporter forum called JREF. That's why I came here.

Just to CHALLENGE the supporters of the Zionist Criminals. And such challenge should be made here, on JREF forum.

The members agreement does not allow me to say how I really feel about someone that would make such a statement.

When I began I was ready, and I am still ready, to change my opinion if you are able to debunk my work with strong evidence. Unfortunately, you were unable; none of you was able to debunk my work:

Dismissing anything that does not agree with your opinion by claiming it's fake is what children and liars do. You could expand these choices by actually bringing some evidence (and honesty) to the table.

You are unable to explain How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks.

You have not shown that this is significant. You claim without reason that they should have done it differently. Repeated request for you to show how this is "how it would have been done" go un-answered by anything other then more opinion

You refuse to explain how Mossad/USA agents would do the attacks.

They wouldn't, That's your fantasy. If you want to know how 19 extremists did it, I can help.

The only thing you are able to do is DENY every evidence and follow the official story.

We're still waiting for you to produce any evidence.

Opinion does not equal evidence, even if you write a book.


Tell me again why we (and the world) shouldn't just ignore you?

 

[HawksFan]

So, is that Muslim researcher showing up any time soon? This warm up act is getting old.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Meh claims that radical muslims don't do anything bad. I'd like him to explain what happened in Frankfurt, Germany.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/03/germany.shooting/?hpt=T2

Frankfurt, Germany (CNN) -- The man who shot and killed two American troops in Germany was a recently radicalized Muslim who seems to have been influenced by local radical Islamist websites, a German official said Thursday.

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The 21-year-old man said he was motivated to carry out the attack after seeing a video on the internet the day before, which he claimed showed American soldiers raping Muslim women, according to a German intelligence official who viewed a record of the suspect's interrogation.

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He was friends on Facebook with several pro-al Qaeda extremists from a group based in Bonn, Germany, that is known to German intelligence officials, according to the official. That included links to an Islamic preacher named Pierre Vogel and someone named Nessery, who was arrested about two months ago in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the investigation.

 

[Jackanory]

The succession of the events could not be made by precision of seconds! We must expect some minutes of difference in such work. We have 4, 9 and 3 minutes difference between the deviation and impact of the precedent plane. And the reason of 9 can be explained by the exact type of the planes that hit the twin towers making the team believe the system is perfect, and they can leave the plane hit the tower alone.

When you compare these times of 4, 9, 3 minutes to 15, 28, 34, 53 minutesyou must accept that there is no common amount between these times, except between 28 and 34 minutes.

You all prefer to deny the succession of teh hijacks, while it's easily visible here down. NOBODY explained how and why 4 different teams made SUCCESSIVE hijacks. I gave you two possible manner, but both are completely impossible and the methods are laughable. So the accusation of Muslims is laughable.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline911.jpg[/qimg]

Successive events happen on a daily basis around the rational world.

Aircraft take off in succession on a daily basis around the rational world.

Aircraft departure timings are routine around the rational world.

19 scumbag terrorists knew the above. They planned and executed a mission. Their mission was simple:-

1. Board an aircraft knowing that you will die.
2. Hijack that aircraft.
3. Crash that aircraft into your targets.

So simple that they succeeded 3 times!

No need to liaise between each other whatsoever on 911. They wernt following any given deadline or time frame. Just get on your plane, hijack it and crash. Simple. So they got on. Waited until the aircraft stablised and attacked. Lied about having bombs on board, circled about a bit then crashed the planes. Simple.

I was given and gave plenty of mission orders. Very rarely did I need any further contact with my commanders once those orders where issued and the mission began. I had my mission, objective and plan. Why do I need any further involvement from anyone else? I carried them out until complete. So did 19 scumbag terrorists!!!! Simple really.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Consider the consequences of his "research".
The victory of Muslims on 9/11 is really due to the Jooz!
The Muslims are celebrating a Jooish coup!

That's got to be quite the dilemma for him. Most Muslims have no problem attributing 9/11 to other Muslims, even if they don't agree with their actions. For some reason mehmetin wants to give The Evil Zionists^TM the credit and with no evidence to support it--just hatred of Jews. This is denial at its best.

Weird.

Hmm... Very good points. mehmetin's "research" may not go over very well his Muslim brothers, especially those who were dancing in the streets after hearing the news.

Many Muslims in the Middle East have a general dislike for America and no doubt viewed 9/11 as, at best, a well-deserved blow to America's ego. At worst, it was viewed as an effective strike at a great enemy. To have mehmetin pull the rug out from under the pride that some of these Muslims no doubt feel, and attribute the act to their greatest enemy, would be devastating. If Muslims don't turn on mehmetin in anger, they would surely feel some sympathy toward America, having been back-stabbed by a now-common enemy.

Of course, in mehmetin's world, that dancing and pride doesn't exist, so it's no surprise that he fails to see the position he's putting himself into. I say let him spread his nonsense. His own blindness to the flaws of his Muslim brothers and sisters—the very same flaws every one of us, as human beings, share on some level—will be his undoing.

That being said... mehmetin, I may have missed this, but have you proposed your fantasy to any other Muslims? Have you contacted Muslim leaders and gotten their opinion on your "research"? If it's as vindicating as you believe, and Muslims as humble and peaceful as you believe, they would surely welcome the news.

 

[I Ratant]

Googling "muslim victimhood" gets 111,000 hits, most of which say it's a fall-back position by the majority when refusing to acknowledge the presence of murderous variations on the main theme.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Hmm... Very good points. mehmetin's "research" may not go over very well his Muslim brothers, especially those who were dancing in the streets after hearing the news.

Many Muslims in the Middle East have a general dislike for America and no doubt viewed 9/11 as, at best, a well-deserved blow to America's ego. At worst, it was viewed as an effective strike at a great enemy. To have mehmetin pull the rug out from under the pride that some of these Muslims no doubt feel, and attribute the act to their greatest enemy, would be devastating. If Muslims don't turn on mehmetin in anger, they would surely feel some sympathy toward America, having been back-stabbed by a now-common enemy.

Of course, in mehmetin's world, that dancing and pride doesn't exist, so it's no surprise that he fails to see the position he's putting himself into. I say let him spread his nonsense. His own blindness to the flaws of his Muslim brothers and sisters—the very same flaws every one of us, as human beings, share on some level—will be his undoing.

That being said... mehmetin, I may have missed this, but have you proposed your fantasy to any other Muslims? Have you contacted Muslim leaders and gotten their opinion on your "research"? If it's as vindicating as you believe, and Muslims as humble and peaceful as you believe, they would surely welcome the news.

Mehmetin, knows his audience and seems to share a lot in common with them. Turkish Muslims are in general kind and decent folks who express a desire for world cooperation and peace. They just want to live their lives in the way of God as they see it while bringing up their families and having a career. A major problem is that many just cant understand how Muslims could do such a thing, as well as the fact that the whole Muslim=terrorist label stings. The Jews as the perennial bogey man are just the too obvious scapegoat, though their potential national enemies are many.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Googling "muslim victimhood" gets 111,000 hits, most of which say it's a fall-back position by the majority when refusing to acknowledge the presence of murderous variations on the main theme.

You might find this insight into regional conspiracies interesting:
http://www.danielpipes.org/214/dealing-with-middle-eastern-conspiracy-theories

Though Turks are not Arabs you can see some of this in the way political meetings are dissected in the media for symbolic meaning.

 

[I Ratant]

Good article.
It explains a lot!

"Anticipate malign interpretations. The Middle Eastern readiness to misread completely innocuous acts means that anything is likely to be interpreted in a hostile way. The worthiest impulses become deathly plots. Miles Copeland, an American with years of experience in intelligence, put it well: "In the Arab world, even the most innocent, high sounding statement . . . is examined microscopically for and can be given the most sinister implications by a clever opponent bent on doing so." Through the wrong timing or the wrong wording, Westerners can unwittingly become party to the political hallucinations of others."
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Long-time victimhood.

 

[twinstead]

"...even the most innocent, high sounding statement . . . is examined microscopically for and can be given the most sinister implications by a clever opponent bent on doing so."

That sounds like my first wife

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum. For a Muslim who made many years investigation, his work remains nothing if he does not challenge the Zionist's supporter forum called JREF. That's why I came here.

Just to CHALLENGE the supporters of the Zionist Criminals. And such challenge should be made here, on JREF forum.

When I began I was ready, and I am still ready, to change my opinion if you are able to debunk my work with strong evidence. Unfortunately, you were unable; none of you was able to debunk my work:

• You are unable to explain How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks.
• You refuse to explain how Mossad/USA agents would do the attacks.

The only thing you are able to do is DENY every evidence and follow the official story.

You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity.

 

[twinstead]

Successive hijacks. LOL

Yea. Explain that people. Unless you do, it's INSIDE JOB!!!11!!!1!!!!!

 

[DGM]

Has this "researcher" explained what happened to UA 93? Obviously everything we know about the flight is fake and the hundreds of people involved were "in on" the cover-up but, Why did the "automated tomahawk control" not deliver?

 

[I Ratant]

That sounds like my first wife

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I encounter a lot of people who look for the motives hidden in innocent comments.
Self-made victims, always looking for something bad about themselves, from others.
I call them "open wounds, always looking for some salt to roll in".
Lots of criminals are this way, with their eagerness to discern a "disrespect" in dealings with them.

 

[I Ratant]

Has this "researcher" explained what happened to UA 93? Obviously everything we know about the flight is fake and the hundreds of people involved were "in on" the cover-up but, Why did the "automated tomahawk control" not deliver?

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There's obvious manually controlled flight in the post-takeover portions of all the flights, deviations much greater than any autopilot would do, especially at the terminal ends.
The lad will say these were programmed into the flight packages.
AA 11 and UA 175 got to their impact points without the major altitude situation AA 77 encountered.
The correction for that is obviously human controlled.

 

[The Lone Bolt]

Let me try:

Mehmetin, I've been following this thread for page after page and it's clear that the problem here is that your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Your own chart shows that the hijackers took over the airplanes after they had leveled off. You claim, for no apparent reason, that this had to have been coordinated from the ground (at least I think that's what you're claiming).

But a perfectly reasonable explanation exists: that the hijackers simply agreed in advance to take over the planes once they had leveled off, and that the difference in the hijacking times is explained by the different takeoff times of the planes.

You have yet to explain adequately why this is not a reasonable explanation.

The only person that your logic makes any sense to here is you. And that's not because this board has been infiltrated by zionists.

Try this experiment: take your argument to people who has never heard of "9-11 Truth." I guarantee that 90% of the time they will give you blank looks. They will give you blank looks because they'll also have no idea in the world what you're talking about. And they'll have no idea what you're talking about because your argument makes no sense.

 

[DGM]

Try this experiment: take your argument to people who has never heard of "9-11 Truth." I guarantee that 90% of the time they will give you blank looks. They will give you blank looks because they'll also have no idea in the world what you're talking about. And they'll have no idea what you're talking about because your argument makes no sense.

Nice try but, It's that 10% he hopes to sell his book to. It's that simple.