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King of the Americas said:
No need, I'll concede that's the video...
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In that case, it appears we have a teachable moment here.

Your recollection of the events shown in that video differ significantly from what the video actually shows. Why is that?

And what does this tell us about the reliability of eyewitness testimony in general, and yours in particular?
 
King of the Americas said:
What have you been reading?

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/wash_nat/bb_1661.htm
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I was reading up on the history of radar and I came across this interesting statement in Wikipedia:

By 1952, the CAA had begun its first routine use of radar for approach and departure control.
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Radar had only been in use for about ten years in 1952. It was a new technology, and so a lot of people didn't have much experience with it.

It's interesting that now radar is an established technology, you just don't hear this sort of thing happening. You could conclude from this that the flying saucers are now stowed away in their hangars for whatever reason, or that the people and the equipment are just better at identifying what's up there.
 
Psiload said:
In that case, it appears we have a teachable moment here.

Your recollection of the events shown in that video differ significantly from what the video actually shows. Why is that?

And what does this tell us about the reliability of eyewitness testimony in general, and yours in particular?
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Well, let's see. I remembered that a balloon looking U.F.O. intersected the flight pattern of helicopters, then I remembered one of them breaking out of the pattern to pursue.

What was my accuracy level?

Did the video I remembered cease to exist, or did I merely misremember a detail or two about the video.

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Recently I had to have something engraved, and went to a local jeweler. Once, I entered the store, I immediately flashed on a memory I have, of seeing a diamond collection, in their upstairs area. I must have been 5 or 6 at the time. My mother took her wedding ring in to be appraised, and took my sister and I along.

Once we got to the store, my sister and I began to give the place our once over, going behind counters and past a set of velvet ropes that led past a security guard and upstairs. In the middle of this room was a large table, surrounded by more velvet ropes, on which was an open display case. Therein was a collection of diamonds, the center of which was the blue Hope Diamond.

Years later I saw a diamond documentary, that featured the diamond I saw, along with some others, in a display case exactly like the one I saw. At which I remarked, "Hey, I've SEEN that collection, my sister even touched the one in the middle." I was laughed at, and told this wasn't possible, that this collection would NEVER have been displayed so that 2 kids could get to them and even handle them. I chalked the memory up to a dream I mistook for reality.

Upon entering the store, I asked to speak with someone who had worked there for the longest time hoping to confirm or debunk my memory. I relayed my memory, and the mature woman, smiled and said you didn't make up the story. We still have the collection your remember...

The collection wasn't real. While it contained all the Vanderbilt Collection, displayed as they should be, they were just glass.

The point?

My memory, while flawed, wasn't fiction or a dream at all. I DID in fact see a diamond collection meant to represent the Hope Diamond and others.

My memory, while not perfect, is quite reliable.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Well, let's see. I remembered that a balloon looking U.F.O. intersected the flight pattern of helicopters, then I remembered one of them breaking out of the pattern to pursue.
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What would have been more accurate would be to say that during a massive parade a balloon floated around a bit, nowhere near any helicopters and because the helicopters were much higher than the balloon, they didn't even see it and therefore made no attempt to chase it.

But I guess if was described thus, it wouldn't have made it into so many UFO documentaries. :)
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, let's see. I remembered that a balloon looking U.F.O. intersected the flight pattern of helicopters, then I remembered one of them breaking out of the pattern to pursue.

What was my accuracy level?

Did the video I remembered cease to exist, or did I merely misremember a detail or two about the video.
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Here's what you said about it:
King of the Americas said:
...A silver balloon looking object flies between a formation of helicopters. One unit breaks off to pursue but the object increases it rate of speed and escapes...
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You "remembered" one unit breaking off to pursue and you "remembered" the object increasing its speed and you "remembered" it escaping.

In your memory of your memory, you only remembered remembering one of them breaking out of pattern to pursue. Funnily enough, you only had to go back one page in the thread to see what you had actually posted of your memory but you got even that wrong.

My memory, while not perfect, is quite reliable.
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Your memory, while not perfect, is also not at all reliable. You didn't remember what you had posted yesterday!
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, let's see. I remembered that a balloon looking U.F.O. intersected the flight pattern of helicopters, then I remembered one of them breaking out of the pattern to pursue.

What was my accuracy level?

Did the video I remembered cease to exist, or did I merely misremember a detail or two about the video.
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Confabulation. I suggest you look it up.

Recently I had to have something engraved, and went to a local jeweler. Once, I entered the store, I immediately flashed on a memory I have, of seeing a diamond collection, in their upstairs area. I must have been 5 or 6 at the time. My mother took her wedding ring in to be appraised, and took my sister and I along.

Once we got to the store, my sister and I began to give the place our once over, going behind counters and past a set of velvet ropes that led past a security guard and upstairs. In the middle of this room was a large table, surrounded by more velvet ropes, on which was an open display case. Therein was a collection of diamonds, the center of which was the blue Hope Diamond.

Years later I saw a diamond documentary, that featured the diamond I saw, along with some others, in a display case exactly like the one I saw. At which I remarked, "Hey, I've SEEN that collection, my sister even touched the one in the middle." I was laughed at, and told this wasn't possible, that this collection would NEVER have been displayed so that 2 kids could get to them and even handle them. I chalked the memory up to a dream I mistook for reality.
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Really? You mean you didn't lash out angrily at the people who mocked you and refused to accept your testimony at face value? You didn't berate them for being closed-minded skeptics when they refused to believe that you had seen something extraordinary?

Hmmm... curious.

Upon entering the store, I asked to speak with someone who had worked there for the longest time hoping to confirm or debunk my memory. I relayed my memory, and the mature woman, smiled and said you didn't make up the story. We still have the collection your remember...

The collection wasn't real. While it contained all the Vanderbilt Collection, displayed as they should be, they were just glass.

The point?

My memory, while flawed, wasn't fiction or a dream at all. I DID in fact see a diamond collection meant to represent the Hope Diamond and others.

My memory, while not perfect, is quite reliable.
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So, your memory of an event you had witnessed was such that you believed you had seen something extraordinary, but it turned out to be something which was actually something less than extraordinary, something actually quite mundane?

Hmm... curiouser and curiouser.
 
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King of the Americas said:
...Therein was a collection of diamonds, the center of which was the blue Hope Diamond.
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The collection wasn't real. While it contained all the Vanderbilt Collection, displayed as they should be, they were just glass.

The point?

My memory, while flawed, wasn't fiction or a dream at all. I DID in fact see a diamond collection meant to represent the Hope Diamond and others.

My memory, while not perfect, is quite reliable.
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Uh, I don't think so.

The Hope Diamond was never part of the Vanderbilt collection, therefore what you have just demonstrated is what you do quite a bit on this forum.
You are conflating misremembered personal memories and misremembered "facts" of some documentary you saw.

"One version of the Hope Diamond story states that when the sultan was deposed in 1909 he sold the diamond directly to Pierre Cartier. The other version, (which I believe and is on record as the true historical lineage), is that the Hope Diamond was sold on the London auction block in 1901 to a New York diamond dealer known as “Joseph Frankel’s Son.” The amount that it sold for was not recorded. However, it is recorded that at the same time the Hope Diamond was offered to W.K. Vanderbilt for the price of $500,000.00, but he did not purchase the diamond."
 
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EHocking said:
Uh, I don't think so.

The Hope Diamond was never part of the Vanderbilt collection, therefore what you have just demonstrated is what you do quite a bit on this forum.
You are conflating misremembered personal memories and misremembered "facts" of some documentary you saw.

"One version of the Hope Diamond story states that when the sultan was deposed in 1909 he sold the diamond directly to Pierre Cartier. The other version, (which I believe and is on record as the true historical lineage), is that the Hope Diamond was sold on the London auction block in 1901 to a New York diamond dealer known as “Joseph Frankel’s Son.” The amount that it sold for was not recorded. However, it is recorded that at the same time the Hope Diamond was offered to W.K. Vanderbilt for the price of $500,000.00, but he did not purchase the diamond."
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Show me a picture of how the Hope Diamond is and has been displayed, along side other great stones?

That said I concede that it was not part of the "Vanderbilt Collection".
 
Psiload said:
Confabulation. I suggest you look it up.




Really? You mean you didn't lash out angrily at the people who mocked you and refused to accept your testimony at face value? You didn't berate them for being closed-minded skeptics when they refused to believe that you had seen something extraordinary?

Hmmm... curious.




So, your memory of an event you had witnessed was such that you believed you had seen something extraordinary, but it turned out to be something which was actually something less than extraordinary, something actually quite mundane?

Hmm... curiouser and curiouser.
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In both cases, my detractors were wrong.

I saw 'something', that was made to look exactly as my memory captured it. I saw the Hope Diamond, and some surrounding stones.

That my 5-6 year old eyes and memory 'captured' that accurately, was and is astonishing to me.

I HAD written it off, simply because it should have been impossible, that I saw what I did. That diamond has been in the Smithsonian, and well beyond arms reach for some time.

That my memory was 'confirmed', NOT debunked, is my observation.

It was NOT a fiction, dream, or hallucination.

That a 5 or 6 year old was unable to recognize a 'fake' is hardly relevant.
 
King of the Americas said:
In both cases, my detractors were wrong.

I saw 'something', that was made to look exactly as my memory captured it. I saw the Hope Diamond, and some surrounding stones.

That my 5-6 year old eyes and memory 'captured' that accurately, was and is astonishing to me.

I HAD written it off, simply because it should have been impossible, that I saw what I did. That diamond has been in the Smithsonian, and well beyond arms reach for some time.

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If only you could allow yourself to accept the fact that it is far more possible that your sister touched the Hope Diamond as a child, than what you saw on that other occasion was aircraft piloted by ETs.

You see, the Hope Diamond actually exists.

But, I'm sure this is just one more teachable moment wasted on an unteachable.
 
Psiload said:
If only you could allow yourself to accept the fact that it is far more possible that your sister touched the Hope Diamond as a child, than what you saw on that other occasion was aircraft piloted by ETs.
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Hey, hey!

Not ET's! "Heavenly Agents", or "Gods" if you prefer.

Sheesh....ET's. How ridiculous. ;)
 
King of the Americas said:
In both cases, my detractors were wrong.

I saw 'something', that was made to look exactly as my memory captured it. I saw the Hope Diamond, and some surrounding stones.
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One accurate memory doesn't mean all your memories are accurate.

I have pretty accurate memories of a visit to the state Capitol building when I was three years old. However, I remembered the stairs as being white. When I saw it again ten years later, I was disconcerted to find that they were black. I thought they must have been painted, but soon learned that had been black since being built in the 19th century.

Other than that, the memories were surprisingly accurate.

That doesn't stop me from being frightfully and disturbingly wrong about the details of favorite movies I rewatched after not having seen them for years. I'm talking about memories that I was certain were accurate, but my certainty was no guarantee of accuracy. I mention movies because this is a situation where it is easy to corroborate your memory against reality...but with other memories it's not always so easy.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Show me a picture of how the Hope Diamond is and has been displayed, along side other great stones?
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No.

This post (as well as others) was sufficient to demonstrate that;
You are conflating misremembered personal memories and misremembered "facts" of some documentary you saw.
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Yet you still argue that your memory is infallible and this is sufficient evidence for any of your assertions on this forum.
 
10 years of trolling based on one story about lights in the sky. That takes focus. He's trying to broaden his horizons here with these other stories, and it's leading to trouble. He should stay focused on his main thing.
 
carlitos said:
10 years of trolling based on one story about lights in the sky. That takes focus. He's trying to broaden his horizons here with these other stories, and it's leading to trouble. He should stay focused on his main thing.
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What about this thread or my behavior has been "trolling"...?

I'd like to urge you to take such baseless personal attacks, and ***** **** ** **** ***.
 
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