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Psiload said:
Is there any evidence to suggest that the Nazca Lines worked? Is there any evidence of the ETs interacting with the Nazcans?
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I suspect the best evidence that 'they' interacted with the Nazzers is that the ETs would be the only species who had sufficient advanced technology to make sure they didn't leave a single shred of evidence of that interaction behind when they left to return to the heavens. :boggled:
 
aggle-rithm said:
Very nice....now let's get back to my original request.

I asked for a video that you considered to be the best evidence of your claims. This time, can you provide one that stands on its own merits, or at least is corroborated by eyewitness reports of the event that was captured on film? The '52 incidents do not qualify because none of the anecdotes from that day mention slow-moving lights passing less than 100 feet over the capitol building, as the video shows.
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This event is or should be the most well known U.F.O. event...the video for this, remains both unsourced, and sans debunking, meaning that it may or may not b what it looks like.

The only other 'video' and sighting I would present would be the one from the late 80's early 90's taken during a Mexican military parade. A silver balloon looking object flies between a formation of helicopters. One unit breaks off to pursue but the object increases it rate of speed and escapes. The video famously appears in several U.F.O. documentaries.

I'd rather stay with the D.C. sightings in '52, as I think we have the most documentation and access to information.
 
Stray Cat said:
Or more accurately, various different circumstances came together and have been interpreted as a single event.


The disappearing had nothing to do with the jets arriving. The radar operators reported seeing radar returns appearing and disappearing over the course of a few months.
The jets were most likely chasing their own tails and of course when you do that, you're not going to be able to catch up.
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First, it was really a large event with two 'peaks' in activity...

Could you further qualify the statement "chasing their own tails", in reference to ANY of the pilots' reports?
 
Psiload said:
Is there any evidence to suggest that the Nazca Lines worked? Is there any evidence of the ETs interacting with the Nazcans?
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Well, if the question is how do you get E.T. to give you a ride on a space ship, and the answer is the Nazcans drew big ass pictograms and are now GONE...

Then the lines worked, right?
 
Stray Cat said:
I suspect the best evidence that 'they' interacted with the Nazzers is that the ETs would be the only species who had sufficient advanced technology to make sure they didn't leave a single shred of evidence of that interaction behind when they left to return to the heavens. :boggled:
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Well, maybe THAT is the point...?

To let each species rise, and ascend to some level of existence, then to join 'the gods' in he heavens...?

Leaving behind you, only tales of your existence...

*We DON'T have a single shred of evidence that this sort of thing has happened, we have PILES AND PILES of it.
 
King of the Americas said:
First, it was really a large event with two 'peaks' in activity...
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A really large event that was never shown to be anything of substance.

King of the Americas said:
Could you further qualify the statement "chasing their own tails", in reference to ANY of the pilots' reports?
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By 'chasing their own tails', I mean going on a wild goose chase (not the kind of geese that Kenneth Arnold spotted) and looking for objects that were not there. In such cases a pilot being told "there must be something up there" may see a very distant light in the corner of his eye and start to manouver to go after it. When he's turned his plane around, the light he saw has gone, because what he saw from the corner of his eye was a ground based light, or a star. After he's turned he can see lights on the ground and stars but nothing in the position he's being told it is in by the radar operators. The fallibility of human perception can not be ruled out again.
 
King of the Americas said:
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The only other 'video' and sighting I would present would be the one from the late 80's early 90's taken during a Mexican military parade. A silver balloon looking object flies between a formation of helicopters. One unit breaks off to pursue but the object increases it rate of speed and escapes. The video famously appears in several U.F.O. documentaries.
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This video?



Can't be... this video is much different than what you've described. Stickler for accuracy that you are, this can't possibly be the video in question.
 
King of the Americas said:
This event is or should be the most well known U.F.O. event...the video for this, remains both unsourced, and sans debunking, meaning that it may or may not b what it looks like.
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It doesn't need debunking, it needs to be shown somehow to be genuine.
All the evidence available for it at the moment points to it not being contemporary of 1952. It isn't mentioned in any press reports about the incident, nor is it mentioned in Blue Book, which documents everything possible to do with the event in great detail. Further to this, not a single UFOlogist has ever been able to provide any logical or reasoned justification for using this footage as proof, nor any provenance for where it came from, who filmed it or when. In fact it's always simply stitched to articles about the story with no reference to it what so ever apart from maybe a caption implying that it is footage of the event.

If you wish to discard all this in order to maintain that this video is proof of the 1952 Washington UFO flap, you are classically employing wilfull ignorance.
 
Stray Cat said:
A really large event that was never shown to be anything of substance.


By 'chasing their own tails', I mean going on a wild goose chase (not the kind of geese that Kenneth Arnold spotted) and looking for objects that were not there. In such cases a pilot being told "there must be something up there" may see a very distant light in the corner of his eye and start to manouver to go after it. When he's turned his plane around, the light he saw has gone, because what he saw from the corner of his eye was a ground based light, or a star. After he's turned he can see lights on the ground and stars but nothing in the position he's being told it is in by the radar operators. The fallibility of human perception can not be ruled out again.
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"..never shown to be anything of substance..."...?

:rolleyes:

Some pilots reported being toyed with, flown 'around', then left in the dust, persay.

The fallibility of ALL the human pilots AND equipment's perception of the U.F.O.'s that buzzed D.C. in '52- "SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE RULED OUT."

...unless you are a skeptic, then you might feel comfortable employing the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy", wherein you can just ignore the evidence you don't like.
 
King of the Americas said:
It's similar...
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No, that's the video. You have confabulated and embellished the event, as you are wont to do.

A textbook example of the unreliability of eyewitness testimony and anecdotal evidence.

I invite you to provide the "similar" video which shows events transpiring as you described above.

I await with breath unbated.
 
King of the Americas said:
"..never shown to be anything of substance..."...?
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Indeed no substance. Some people thought they saw something or other.
A large event, that involved lots of people seeing some stuff they couldn't figure out.
Nothing more, nothing less.

King of the Americas said:
Some pilots reported being toyed with, flown 'around', then left in the dust, persay.
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Can you point to (link to) the parts in the original bluebook witness statements where these pilots reported this so I can refresh my memory thanks?.

King of the Americas said:
The fallibility of ALL the human pilots AND equipment's perception of the U.F.O.'s that buzzed D.C. in '52- "SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE RULED OUT."
...unless you are a skeptic, then you might feel comfortable employing the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy", wherein you can just ignore the evidence you don't like.
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The thing about considering 'human perception fallibility' is that you don't ignore any evidence. Non of the evidence (that's not - one - single - part of it) has to be or indeed is ignored. There is no evidence that contradicts the possibility of human perception failure as playing a part in this event. Therefore willful ignorance doesn't come it from the sceptic PoV.

So please stop committing the "I'm making up false fallacies fallacy" :)
 
King of the Americas said:
This event is or should be the most well known U.F.O. event...the video for this, remains both unsourced, and sans debunking, meaning that it may or may not b what it looks like.

The only other 'video' and sighting I would present would be the one from the late 80's early 90's taken during a Mexican military parade. A silver balloon looking object flies between a formation of helicopters. One unit breaks off to pursue but the object increases it rate of speed and escapes. The video famously appears in several U.F.O. documentaries.

I'd rather stay with the D.C. sightings in '52, as I think we have the most documentation and access to information.
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Just like all woo claims...people insist there's something wonderful happening, but when we ask to SEE it, we are shown only the lamest of evidence.

It's always, "the perpetual motion machine was working last week!" or, "I'm always able to dowse out in the field!" or, "The ghosts come out when I'm by myself!" or, "I can bend spoons when no one is around!"

Or, in this case, "The UFO's did all kinds of crazy things when there were no cameras or credible witnesses available!"
 
King of the Americas said:
I think you are wrong.

As has been stated there WERE 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air. This slow-moving formation was one set of them.
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Here's where parsimony comes in again. You've got a bunch of people making reports of things in the sky...seemingly no two people report the same thing.

What's more likely: That many people have differing imaginations, or that there are many different unknown objects flying around?

Remember, the explanation with the fewest number of unknown entitites is usually the correct one.

THOUSANDS made the report of the slow-moving formation over the capitol.
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Can you point me to a source for this claim? The Wikipedia article, which seems pretty credulous, doesn't mention this at all.
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, maybe THAT is the point...?

To let each species rise, and ascend to some level of existence, then to join 'the gods' in he heavens...?

Leaving behind you, only tales of your existence...

*We DON'T have a single shred of evidence that this sort of thing has happened, we have PILES AND PILES of it.
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King of the Americas said:
It's similar...
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Okay, it's official. You're a troll. You don't believe a word of what you post and you are doing it just to get a reaction.

I hope that, should you finally encounter your aliens/notaliens/gods/whateveryouarecallingthemtoday, they will not turn out to be from the anal probe tribe.

Although, come to think of it, they might simply be looking for the source of what you post.
 
Psiload said:
No, that's the video. You have confabulated and embellished the event, as you are wont to do.

A textbook example of the unreliability of eyewitness testimony and anecdotal evidence.

I invite you to provide the "similar" video which shows events transpiring as you described above.

I await with breath unbated.
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No need, I'll concede that's the video...
 
Elizabeth I said:
Okay, it's official. You're a troll. You don't believe a word of what you post and you are doing it just to get a reaction.

I hope that, should you finally encounter your aliens/notaliens/gods/whateveryouarecallingthemtoday, they will not turn out to be from the anal probe tribe.

Although, come to think of it, they might simply be looking for the source of what you post.
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I object to being called a troll.

And I protest your assertion that I don't believe the things I write.

Go ride a horse.
 
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