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Elizabeth I said:
Yes, it's been handed down in my family for generations, and mostly directed at me - my great-grandmother, my grandmother, and my great-aunts all did a lot of finger-wagging at me. Head shaking, too.
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So wrangling is not a fallacy?
 
King of the Americas said:
Radar images aren't anecdotes.

Stop willfully ignoring evidence. Don't you know that's a fallacy?
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All right, let's look closely at what Wikipedia says happened.

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Air traffic controller saw seven objects on radar. "movements radical"
Another radar center saw the objects, and a bright orange light out the window.Saw them move over the White House and US Capitol.
Andrews AFB saw nothing on radar, but an airman saw a strange object; an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail. He saw two objects, but they disappeared before anyone else could see it.
On the 20th, a person in the control tower saw an orange disk at 3000 feet.
While waiting to take off, SC Pierman saw a meteor, then was told that control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. After which Pierman saw six objects (white, talless, fast moving lights).
Staff Sgt. Davenport saw an orange-red light that made abrupt change in direction and altitude.
Others at Andrews AFB thought they saw things on radar.
Objects disappeared from radar when jets were in the area, then reappeared when they left.
Civilian radio engineer saw five huge disks circling in loose formation, tilted upward and made a steep ascent.
Operation Blue Book supervisor did not find out about sightings until they were in the newspaper on the 22nd.
July 26th, pilot and stewardess saw strange objects above their plane.
National Airport and Andrews AFB both tracked objects. A master sergeant saw them and said they were faster than shooting stars; no trails.
At National Airport, radar showed unknown objects in every sector. Sometimes they moved slowly, something at 7000 mph.
Jet fighter leader saw nothing, but wingman chased four white "glows". He chased them, they surrounded him. He asked the control tower what he should do, but got stunned silence. They sped away and disappeared.
Two more jets were scrambled, one pilot saw nothing, another saw a white light that vanished when he closed in.
A civilian pilot saw "odd lights" for 12 minutes.

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A few things pop right out. First of all, your claim that Project Blue book was started as a response to the incidences is incorrect, as several Project Blue Book representatives were mentioned as taking part in the incident. Second, there are no eyewitnesses mentioned of slow-moving lights passing just over the Capitol building, as is seen in the video. Third, here is how the UFO is described in different sightings:

1. A bright orange light
2. Two orange balls of fire, trailing a tail, which disappeared before anyone else could see them
3. An orange disk at 3000 feet (how did he know how high?)
4. White, tailless, fast-moving lights
5. An orange-red light that made fast changes in direction and altitude.
6. Five huge disks in loose formation
7. Things that presumably looked like shooting stars, but were tailless and moved too fast
8. While "glows"
9. Odd lights

If everyone saw the same thing, then why are these descriptions so different? And why do NONE of them look like the objects in the video?

And about the radar readings: Most of the really unusual stuff was reported by one man, an air traffic controller at the civilian airport. Interestingly, when jets were brought in so that they were in a position to see what was there, they conveniently disappeared from radar.

I don't find this evidence compelling at all.

ETA: One of the things I find REALLY interesting...when an Air Force pilot found himself surrounded by UFO's, he asked the CIVILIAN CONTROL TOWER what he should do...why not ask his flight leader, who incidentally saw nothing?
 
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King of the Americas said:
How do you think humanity might get a technologically advanced race, to descend from our immediate heavens?
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Drive your old, broken down car down a country road late at night, with your best girl in the passenger's seat and an open '40' in your hand?

Go stand in a forest and wait for D.B. Cooper to parachute in?

Build a replica of devil's tower with mashed potatos, clay and dirt and play an organ repetitively?

Mow suggestive images into your lawn? 'hey guys, I'm ready for my probing' (this is how crop circles work. They're the UFO enthusiast's version of Goatse. We think they're geometric messages; to aliens they're images of sphincters)

Find an antique speak n' spell, cover an umbrella with aluminum foil, mount the speak n' spell on the handle, point it at the sky and type in 'land here'?
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Drive your old, broken down car down a country road late at night, with your best girl in the passenger's seat and an open '40' in your hand?

Go stand in a forest and wait for D.B. Cooper to parachute in?

Build a replica of devil's tower with mashed potatos, clay and dirt and play an organ repetitively?

Mow suggestive images into your lawn? 'hey guys, I'm ready for my probing' (this is how crop circles work. They're the UFO enthusiast's version of Goatse. We think they're geometric messages; to aliens they're images of sphincters)

Find an antique speak n' spell, cover an umbrella with aluminum foil, mount the speak n' spell on the handle, point it at the sky and type in 'land here'?
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Allow me to continue.

Commence a building project which involves making a really big pile of really big rocks.
 
Psiload said:
Allow me to continue.

Commence a building project which involves making a really big pile of really big rocks.
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Good idea. Aliens are obsessive-compulsive and can never resist the urge to show up and help primitives pile rocks. It's sort of like attracting attention by playing solitaire; some jackass is sure to show up, peer over your shoulder and remind you that the 3 of diamonds goes on the 4 of spades.
 
That sounds like mild mockery to me. We must maintain a higher quality of mockery to be able to repel the returning former residents of our planet before they turn us all into mindless dolts. Well, except in the case of those of us who were mindless dolts to begin with.
 
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After much reflection, I think I will heed lionking's advice. I'll use the extra 10 minutes in my day to learn a foreign language. Adios, King of the Americas. I'm glad that you're still a member in good standing here.
 
aggle-rithm said:
All right, let's look closely at what Wikipedia says happened.

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If everyone saw the same thing, then why are these descriptions so different? And why do NONE of them look like the objects in the video?

And about the radar readings: Most of the really unusual stuff was reported by one man, an air traffic controller at the civilian airport. Interestingly, when jets were brought in so that they were in a position to see what was there, they conveniently disappeared from radar.

I don't find this evidence compelling at all.

ETA: One of the things I find REALLY interesting...when an Air Force pilot found himself surrounded by UFO's, he asked the CIVILIAN CONTROL TOWER what he should do...why not ask his flight leader, who incidentally saw nothing?
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There were 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air that night...

Some of which were on radar, and disappeared, once the jets showed up. The jets THAT DID CHASE, were left in the dust.

As for why a military pilot would interact with a civilian control tower, I am pretty sure it is common practice to maintain radio contact with whichever tower you are near... If you were sent to investigate beyond your base's tower TO a civilian controlled airspace, why WOULDN'T you be in radio contact with them???
 
King of the Americas said:
There were 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air that night...

Some of which were on radar, and disappeared, once the jets showed up. The jets THAT DID CHASE, were left in the dust.

As for why a military pilot would interact with a civilian control tower, I am pretty sure it is common practice to maintain radio contact with whichever tower you are near... If you were sent to investigate beyond your base's tower TO a civilian controlled airspace, why WOULDN'T you be in radio contact with them???
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Very nice....now let's get back to my original request.

I asked for a video that you considered to be the best evidence of your claims. This time, can you provide one that stands on its own merits, or at least is corroborated by eyewitness reports of the event that was captured on film? The '52 incidents do not qualify because none of the anecdotes from that day mention slow-moving lights passing less than 100 feet over the capitol building, as the video shows.
 
King of the Americas said:
There were 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air that night...
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Or more accurately, various different circumstances came together and have been interpreted as a single event.

King of the Americas said:
Some of which were on radar, and disappeared, once the jets showed up. The jets THAT DID CHASE, were left in the dust.
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The disappearing had nothing to do with the jets arriving. The radar operators reported seeing radar returns appearing and disappearing over the course of a few months.
The jets were most likely chasing their own tails and of course when you do that, you're not going to be able to catch up.
 
King of the Americas said:
I think the building of a REALLY big pile of stones should be added to the list.

Are the Nazca Lines 'builders' ancestors' still around, or did that culture disappear too?

Look up and own the coast in these 'kinds' of areas (http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Nazca_Lines&params=14_43_S_75_08_W_)
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As far as I know, the Nazca culture, like so many others, is gone. If they do have descendants (one presumes their ancestors died before they did), it appears they don't know any more about the lines than we do. It's no particular mystery how they were made, but nobody is quite sure why.

I think if you were to do a Nazca like sign for landings, the existing symbols would be a poor choice, since they give no hint of an invitation to land, and no pattern that encourages landing in any particular place. They could as easily mean "Don't let the sun set on you, space trash, or my monkey will bite you."
 
aggle-rithm said:
Very nice....now let's get back to my original request.

I asked for a video that you considered to be the best evidence of your claims. This time, can you provide one that stands on its own merits, or at least is corroborated by eyewitness reports of the event that was captured on film? The '52 incidents do not qualify because none of the anecdotes from that day mention slow-moving lights passing less than 100 feet over the capitol building, as the video shows.
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I think you are wrong.

As has been stated there WERE 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air. This slow-moving formation was one set of them.

THOUSANDS made the report of the slow-moving formation over the capitol.
 
King of the Americas said:
I think you are wrong.

As has been stated there WERE 'different' U.F.O.'s in the air. This slow-moving formation was one set of them.
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Is this your willful ignorance showing through again?

The footage you linked has never been shown to be from the actual time of the event, let alone shown to be a real event at all. It is not backed up by any of the official witness statements and there is no other witness statement that it relates to or can be tied in to. It's provenance nor date or origination can not be determined and therefore it is absolutely useless to use it as any sort of reliable evidence. I pointed all this out on the previous page of this thread.

Have you made a conscious choice to ignore these points?
 
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