South Tower 81st floor filled with thermite?

Anders... large buildings like the Twin Towers and WTC7 when they collapse will always collapse straight down. They aren't specifically designed that way, they just do that because they can't collapse any other way.
 
I count about 7 or 8 floors in that picture.

WTC7 was 47 floors, the Twin Towers were 110.

My statement stands.

Interesting that you didn't link the actual article about that collapse. You afraid of the truth, Anders?
 
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Anders Lindman said:
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The image is not a high rise, and it is a reinforced concrete structure not a steel frame.

High rise buildings structural design is far greater for lateral loading....i.e. wind loads rather than for gravity loads (unlike the building in your photo). Hence the structure will fail in a gravity direction long before it does in a lateral forces direction.....i.e. toppling.
 
Animal said:
The image is not a high rise, and it is a reinforced concrete structure not a steel frame.

High rise buildings structural design is far greater for lateral loading....i.e. wind loads rather than for gravity loads (unlike the building in your photo). Hence the structure will fail in a gravity direction long before it does in a lateral forces direction.....i.e. toppling.
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Ok, maybe so. I don't know much about building design. However, I believe the WTC towers were designed to pancake like they did in the case of a severe earthquake, i.e. that core columns 'locks' would snap on purpose and that the exterior columns would snap outwards. And large amounts of explosives under the basements of the towers were detonated seconds before each collapse, which is indicative of an earthquake emulation.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I don't know much about building design. However, I believe the WTC towers were designed to pancake like they did in the case of a severe earthquake
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Second statement debunked by the first.

Anders Lindman said:
And large amounts of explosives under the basements of the towers were detonated seconds before each collapse
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No seismic spikes = no explosives.

No habla science, Senor?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
No seismic spikes = no explosives.

No habla science, Senor?
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In the 911 Eyewitness documentary they talk about seismic signals that indicate the use of explosives, plus they mention that several witnesses felt earthquake-like tremblings in the ground seconds before the collapse of each tower (there are also videos showing tremblings and plumes of dust rising from the ground before the collapses).
 
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In the 911 Witness documentary they talk about seismic signals that indicate the use of explosives
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Siesmographs at Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory and portable seismographs deployed around Manhattan by Protec Documentation Services detected no explosive seismic signatures. I'm sorry, but some average Joe saying he thinks he felt something is not a scientific instrument.

No seismic spikes = no explosives.

EDIT: Here's a reminder in case you forgot:

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I'm not an expert on seismology.
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Ok, maybe so. I don't know much about building design. However, I believe the WTC towers were designed to pancake like they did in the case of a severe earthquake, i.e. that core columns 'locks' would snap on purpose and that the exterior columns would snap outwards. And large amounts of explosives under the basements of the towers were detonated seconds before each collapse, which is indicative of an earthquake emulation.
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Buildings are not designed to collapse. What you "believe" is, as a federal judge described so aptly, cynical delusion and fantasy.
 
I wouldn't doubt he's that deluded, I've watched people i know fall into this conspiracy crap and completely lose their grip on reality even worse than him...
 
Anders Lindman said:
But it should have been steel, not pure iron. "Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)." -- From: http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
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Bearing in mind that ASTM A36 has a maximum of 0.29 wt % Carbon and the Peritectic δ (delta ferrite which is solid) and Liquid phase extends to 0.30 wt % at 1493°C on the Iron-Carbon phase equilibrium diagram then I'd be extremely surprised (in my professional opinion) if a steel of A36 composition was fully liquid at 1370°C and it certainly wouldn't flow like you think it would at that temperature. Ergo what was coming out of the tower was not liquid steel.

The reason I quote the liquidus for Iron is because liquid Iron is the by product of the thermite reaction

Fe2O3 +2Al --> 2Fe + Al2O3

producing temperatures between 2000 and 3000°C. Therefore any liquid is likely to be liquid Iron and not steel.

The problem is you keep moving the goalposts. First you claim it's molten Iron (from the thermite reaction) now it's molten steel.

Your problem is you don't really know what you want to claim.
 
He wants to claim anything that keeps you all jumping through his hoops.
 
Sunstealer said:
Bearing in mind that ASTM A36 has a maximum of 0.29 wt % Carbon and the Peritectic δ (delta ferrite which is solid) and Liquid phase extends to 0.30 wt % at 1493°C on the Iron-Carbon phase equilibrium diagram then I'd be extremely surprised (in my professional opinion) if a steel of A36 composition was fully liquid at 1370°C and it certainly wouldn't flow like you think it would at that temperature. Ergo what was coming out of the tower was not liquid steel.

The reason I quote the liquidus for Iron is because liquid Iron is the by product of the thermite reaction

Fe2O3 +2Al --> 2Fe + Al2O3

producing temperatures between 2000 and 3000°C. Therefore any liquid is likely to be liquid Iron and not steel.

The problem is you keep moving the goalposts. First you claim it's molten Iron (from the thermite reaction) now it's molten steel.

Your problem is you don't really know what you want to claim.
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I haven't claimed it was molten iron. I suggest it was mostly molten steel plus thermite.
 
What do you think Thermite is? What do you think stell is mostly composed of?
 
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