Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

There is no evidence here,

The first honest thing you have posted in this thread.

there is an explanation! :eye-poppi Do ou have any argument against it?

Yes. It's completely illogical.

Do you have an other method a team controlling the planes could act from a remote area?

They weren't operating from a remote area. They were operating from inside the planes.

If yes, feel free to show it up. If not, that means the explanation is logical.

See above.


There is an evidence here.

You just said there was no evidence. Which one is the lie?

You can find the succession of the hijack in this graphic. You can check the deviation times of all planes, ad if there are some differences between that graphic, you can tell it. I am waiting.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline911.jpg[/qimg]

You can post the graphic as often as you like, it's still not going to show what you think it shows.
 
Mehmetin, are you beginning to see how wildly unwieldy the plan you're suggesting is? Did they install these special mechanisms in just four planes? How far in advance? What would have happened if one of the planes had developed some mechanical problem a day earlier and was grounded at some other airport? What if one of these other mechanics had stumbled across the poison gas canisters, tomahawk guidance systems or other special rigging? Or weather problems had caused one of the planes to be, say, flying over the Rockies rather than sitting on the tarmac at Logan when the supposed hijackers were supposed to be boarding their flights? The scheme your conspirators had devised to place specific people at specific airports on very specific planes would have fallen apart if those planes weren't exactly where they should be on the day in question. Just how many rigged jets and fake teams of hijackers would be required to allow for any of the sorts of variables I've mentioned?

John, the reliability of the actions was always in my mind during all the study I made, since 7 years. And I am an engineer who is so tied on the reliability that before taking any decision I consider it in all aspect to avoid any problem later.

I answer you again: The manner I explained it in my power point is the ONLY manner I would do such action. Especially, I will never trust 19 Arabic people to make such action. Sooner or later one of them will make a mistake. You can see, how many terror attacks made by Muslims since 9/11/2001 succeeded? Richard Reid, the Nigerian Faruk Abdulmutallab, other New York bomb taxy, … . Almost none succeeded. They are definitely unable to make such action, and I will never trust them.

Now your questions should be considered, the events should be reliable. The mechanisms should be extremely reliable, no fault could be accepted, so the design should consider that aspect, the system could not start prematurely without the order given by the team; but that’s also the reliability required from a missile; Tomahawk missile should be fully reliable, one can not accept any Tomahawk missile be self fired without orders! So that reliability exists natively. There is no risk to get any plane grounded.

Any way, the delay between install and the attacks should be reduced as much as possible. And that was probably between 2 days and 5 days. The stay locations of the planes were known since long time, and they can be enough sure about that aspect. The perpetrators have access to whole data of the planes.

Let's now look at the "official story". For the 19 Muslim hijackers plan to work, they don't need very specific, pre-rigged jets to accomplish their goal. They just need box-cutters, a certain ruthless determination, basic flying skills and any jet with at least enough fuel to fly to their targets. Unlike the conspirators in your scheme, they don't care if their true identities/motives are discovered after the deed is done, quite the contrary in fact.

For a non Muslim it looks simple to get 19 Muslims ready to suicide themselves while their life is good, they have no problems, … In practice, finding 19 people is impossible. In whole history, you can not find more than two suicide terror strike made by Muslims. In 19 people, you’ll get too many opposition making many of the refuse to participate. It’s easy to tell, but it’s impossible make.

I ask you again, this scheme you think the perpetrators adopted, it's an evil scheme, yes, but is it a smart scheme? A scheme that is likely to work and remain undiscovered for years or even decades? Please don't dodge this question and say that you would never perpetrate such a scheme yourself for moral reasons. That is beside the point. I am asking you to consider not the morals of the plan but the logistics of the plan itself as a thought experiment. Actually write down what you think would be required to pull the scheme off from A to Z and ask yourself if this is an intelligent scheme with a reasonable chance of success. Believers in the "official story" can do this quite easily, but I have yet to see any believer in an alternate 9/11-related theory do so.

As I told here up, that’s the ONLY manner such attacks could be made. As the development is specially made for that purpose, it will remain secret for longtime. Even when I explain it, people refuse to consider such technology. For the reliability, almost all the systems exist and they are fully tested since decades. The systems are fully reliable to be able to use them in weapons. The only development is some actuators easy to test and could be 100% reliable.

Even with that there was still some danger to get a fault in many things. They had to reduce the risks at maximum possibility, and they had to check everything. That’s why they can not use several teams to control the planes; they can only use two people working together for the same action, controlling each other, planning the events together, …

Even with that, they had to check if the systems worked right, if the pilots were dead, if it was the right plane who was activated, … Sure, their work has to be done in an extremely secure way.

Consider yourself, how will you make to manage such risky action.
 
Just consider the take off airports situated near the easy coast and the planes are flying toward west coast. They should takeover as soon as possible. So they can only plan to takeover as soon as possible. What could they plan other? Ok, they can try to get the impact of all planes at the same time or the takeover at the same time. In both cases, it's meaningless and creates more complexity in their job.

In no way they can plan to create a succession, one hijack start depending on another hijack end as it happened.
Your chart proves that it could not be an automated attack. It is standard and proven to require 29.735 minutes in order to reset the controls. You fail.
 
UHF/VHF signals are too much lower frequencies than GSM ones. There is no mirror effect in the atmosphere. GSM signals are not available in the cruise altitude.

Then please explain what 'signals' the aircraft travelling at 'cruise altitude' received from the Jew team on the ground that enbled them to direct these aircraft down from the 'no cell phones work altitude of 30,000ft' to hit specific targets.

Then explain, with real evidence, what went wrong with 93.

Then explain, with real evidence, why none of the pilots reported the presence of a gas.

Then explain, with real evidence, why toxicology tests didn't reveal any gas.

Then explain. with real evidence ......................................................you get the idea.

I have read your posts here and guess what.............I still believe the evidence available that 19 terrorists did it. So as far as I am concerned you failed. Your objective is to convince me and convince those who are far more academic than me. You failed. You failed to convince me. You failed because you pluck far fetched Ian Fleming scenarios out of thin air, with no evidence, repeat them, with no evidence and expect professionals to believe it. Judges are professionals. Judges rely on professionals.

With my limited knowledge of all thing CTish and 911 I don't believe that the US gubmint let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose. 19 trained terrorists did it because they could. 19 trained terrorists took advantage of the worlds biggets security *************** and it worked. 19 terrorists executed the simplest of plans and made the world's so called 'superpower' realise that they arnt as super and safe as they think.

If the Jews had as much influence as you think they have in USA then a few heavily ladened semtex trucks parked in the basement would have done the job from the bottom. No need for the extravagance of the 'tomohawk and gas'.
 
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Your behaviour in this thread has been intellectually dishonest. Where you have acknowledged inaccuracies in your claims you have allowed them to remain on your site while dismissing them of trivialities. In the remainder of cases you have ignored or selectively answered objections to your claims and evidence, offered up simple gainsaying and branded contradicting evidence as a lie. I think you know that not any aspect of your so-called research would not be accepted for peer review because it is not anywhere near being an honest intellectual inquiry and, in the cell phone case at least, probably wrong on technical details.

Sideroxylon, do never more tell that I am dishonest. What inaccuracies are you speaking about?

What evidence I refused? The phone calls? They are definitely faked.

In reverse, the dishonest people are you: who of you really studied the succession of the hijacks? Who tried to explain their consequences? None of the official story supporter explained such aspects.
 
How would you feel if people were to suggest that all terrorist acts attributed to the PKK in Turkey are the work of Turks?

I am doubltful on many aspects of the PKK terror in Turkey. I believe people of those countries are used to live in peace with their neighbours and all the diversity that exists there.

Same as for 9/11, justice should be made. I hope that this government will put all efforts to make that justice.
 
Originally Posted by mehmetin
The antennas upward emission direction is about 4°, let's get some margin and let's consider 10°. The accessible distance is about 10km. The maximum reachable altitude is 10000*sinus(10°)=10000*0.137=1370m. Let's consider the maximum altitude at that area of 1500(I did not verified), the maximum reachable altitude becomes 1500+1370=2870m, let's sya 3000m. This is too much smaller than 10000m usual altitude of the civil aircrafts.

The strongest evidence of the official stry is the phone calls, and they are all faked. The official story has no evidence backing it.

Your inventafallacy machine appears to be broken!
As well your technobabble waffler isn't putting stuff in the right places.
Cell phones and Airphones can be used from aircraft..
oh and if you want to sound like you're not completely stupid altitude isn't measured in metres

Please be honest and tell us what's wrong in that calculation. That calculation proves that cell phones could not work at 10000m atltitude.

Using claims as "altitude is not measured in meters" is child game.
 
Then please explain what 'signals' the aircraft travelling at 'cruise altitude' received from the Jew team on the ground that enbled them to direct these aircraft down from the 'no cell phones work altitude of 30,000ft' to hit specific targets. Then explain what went wrong with 93.

USA army private network was used to communicate with the automatic tomahawk systems installed in te planes. Same network that is used to control the drones that kills civilians in Afghanistan. Don't tell me it doesn ot exist, it existed since decades; remember first gulf war in 1991., teh network was used there.
 
The first honest thing you have posted in this thread.



Yes. It's completely illogical.



They weren't operating from a remote area. They were operating from inside the planes.



See above.




You just said there was no evidence. Which one is the lie?



You can post the graphic as often as you like, it's still not going to show what you think it shows.

You have no one argument here, you just deny everything that contradict your opinion. No need to answer more.
 
USA army private network was used to communicate with the automatic tomahawk systems installed in te planes. Same network that is used to control the drones that kills civilians in Afghanistan. Don't tell me it doesn ot exist, it existed since decades; remember first gulf war in 1991., teh network was used there.

........and flight 93?

........and toxicology?

.........and digging even deeper, what 'USA army private network' linked to the Jews on the ground are you talking about?
 
Please be honest and tell us what's wrong in that calculation. That calculation proves that cell phones could not work at 10000m atltitude.


But cell phones have worked at that altitude. You've had a number of people telling you that they have personally experienced working cell phones at high altitude. There's also plenty of evidence, mostly anecdotal, that cell phones work at high altitude.

On what basis do you refuse all of this evidence?
 
I answer you again: The manner I explained it in my power point is the ONLY manner I would do such action. Especially, I will never trust 19 Arabic people to make such action. Sooner or later one of them will make a mistake. You can see, how many terror attacks made by Muslims since 9/11/2001 succeeded? Richard Reid, the Nigerian Faruk Abdulmutallab, other New York bomb taxy, … . Almost none succeeded. They are definitely unable to make such action, and I will never trust them.


Wait a second, are you now saying that Muslims couldn't have carried out the 9/11 attacks not because they are too moral but because they are too untrustworthy and incompetent? Who's expressing blanket anti-Muslim sentiments now?

Consider yourself, how will you make to manage such risky action.


I wouldn't manage such a situation. I wouldn't have anything to do with such a scheme and not just for moral reasons, though that would be my first and strongest reason. But let's say for the sake of argument that I was completely amoral. If anyone approached me with such a ridiculously complicated, harebrained scheme I'd dismiss it outright because it would not have any possibility of success. But even if by some perverse miracle the attacks themselves succeeded it would only be a matter of time before one of the other thousand co-conspirators talked and I would run the risk of spending my life in prison or even being executed, not to mention going down in history as one of the most evil men who ever lived.


With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

-Steven Weinberg
 
You have no one argument here, you just deny everything that contradict your opinion. No need to answer more.

Are you typing that with a straight face? I have no argument because YOU have no argument. The facts do not support your argument. The hypocrisy in this post is astonishing. Your ENTIRE argument is based on your opinion. Stop posting lies and opinion and start posting some facts.
 
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USA army private network was used to communicate with the automatic tomahawk systems installed in te planes. Same network that is used to control the drones that kills civilians in Afghanistan. Don't tell me it doesn ot exist, it existed since decades; remember first gulf war in 1991., teh network was used there.

........and flight 93?

........and toxicology?

.........and digging even deeper, what 'USA army private network' linked to the Jews on the ground are you talking about?

- Same for flight 93.
- The gaz is automatically injected when system start working.
- Jews are well situated in US army. Remember in 9/11/2001, Paul Wolfovitz (a Jewish person) was just under Rumsfeld, the defense secretary.

Everything is consistent with Mossad/USA made action.
 
But cell phones have worked at that altitude. You've had a number of people telling you that they have personally experienced working cell phones at high altitude. There's also plenty of evidence, mostly anecdotal, that cell phones work at high altitude.

On what basis do you refuse all of this evidence?

I do not more trust people testimony if they are not supported by strong material evidence and/or against physics law. In that case, they are not supported by material evidence and they are against physics law (I explained why).
 
Please be honest and tell us what's wrong in that calculation. That calculation proves that cell phones could not work at 10000m atltitude.

Using claims as "altitude is not measured in meters" is child game.

The calculation is based on faulty premises.

Originally Posted by mehmetin
The antennas upward emission direction is about 4°, let's get some margin and let's consider 10°.

Wrong. Start looking up the various beamwidths of cellular antennas. While you are at it, how much power is outside the beamdwidth?

The accessible distance is about 10km.

Wrong. And, you keep referring to GSM. You do know not all the cell calls used that technology, right?

The maximum reachable altitude is 10000*sinus(10°)=10000*0.137=1370m.

Wrong - based on faulty premises.

Let's consider the maximum altitude at that area of 1500(I did not verified), the maximum reachable altitude becomes 1500+1370=2870m, let's sya 3000m. This is too much smaller than 10000m usual altitude of the civil aircrafts.

Wrong - based on faulty premises. And why wouldn't you "verify"?

The strongest evidence of the official stry is the phone calls, and they are all faked. The official story has no evidence backing it.

Wrong. There is a lot of other evidence. You can't be serious.
 
Wait a second, are you now saying that Muslims couldn't have carried out the 9/11 attacks not because they are too moral but because they are too untrustworthy and incompetent? Who's expressing blanket anti-Muslim sentiments now?

I am not telling anti Muslim words. Being able or unable is not being better or worse. Everybody has his own limits of abilities. Muslims do not evaluate people by their abilities or errors or mistakes. By definition every human can make mistakes, all humans are imperfect. That’s how Muslims globally think. I accept my limits; I do not claim to be perfect. By that, I also accept the limits of others and forgive them for their credulity.

What ever it could be, Muslims, especially who are ready to suicide themselves, are unable to make such a huge attack and succeed so perfectly. I will never trust them to make such an attack.

I wouldn't manage such a situation. I wouldn't have anything to do with such a scheme and not just for moral reasons, though that would be my first and strongest reason. But let's say for the sake of argument that I was completely amoral. If anyone approached me with such a ridiculously complicated, harebrained scheme I'd dismiss it outright because it would not have any possibility of success. But even if by some perverse miracle the attacks themselves succeeded it would only be a matter of time before one of the other thousand co-conspirators talked and I would run the risk of spending my life in prison or even being executed, not to mention going down in history as one of the most evil men who ever lived.

You are right, but only for yourself. Rumsfeld was enough ambitious to plan such an attack. And G.W. Bush was enough ignorant to accept the application of such an attack. They thought that they have enough strong media to cover the truth up. And they are about to succeed. After 10 years, the truth is unknown. I knew that since 2003, after 7 years the truth is still covered up.

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

-Steven Weinberg

Steven Weinberg is not Muslim. He is speaking about his religion and his neighbors. His opinion does not involve Islam that he can not evaluate at its right value.

And in fact, people who want to use Islam for bad doing will always remain alone. The faith principle of Muslims tells: When confronted to evil doing, Muslim tries to stop it immediately, if he can not stop it, he tries to speak to the authors, if that’s impossible, he leaves the area and do not give his support to evil doing, this is the lowest faith level for Muslims.

With such principles, you can not make strong evil things by Muslims; the required high number of people could not be reached.
 
Are you typing that with a straight face? I have no argument because YOU have no argument. The facts do not support your argument. The hypocrisy in this post is astonishing. Your ENTIRE argument is based on your opinion. Stop posting lies and opinion and start posting some facts.

I am 100% honest, I tell that face to everybody, including Bush himself. I do not fear anyone. Just because I know I am telling truth and am ready to defend my sentences before everybody.

You should search hypocrisy in your side, in your life, in your personnality.
 
The faith principle of Muslims tells: When confronted to evil doing, Muslim tries to stop it immediately, if he can not stop it, he tries to speak to the authors, if that’s impossible, he leaves the area and do not give his support to evil doing, this is the lowest faith level for Muslims.

With such principles, you can not make strong evil things by Muslims; the required high number of people could not be reached.

Absolute bollox.

Drink, drugs, women, murder, capitalism, telling lies etc etc etc. I have seen your Muslims at close quarters committing all the above. Just another badge or banner to hide behind. No better than anyone else yet put themselves on a pedestal of righteousness because of a book. A book that they can’t decide what really means and a book whose meaning they hide behind. lol. Drug dealers and warlords are very common amongst Muslims. No different than any other society yet mightier than though. lol. Your tourist resorts are full of your bar working lecherous hypocrite Muslim men. lol.
19 of them went to the extreme and murdered thousands. They are now in hell. No virgins in hell. lol.
 
Muslims apparently can't do anything, especially the Arab kind, I guess the boy is saying.
I do recall that during Desert Storm, the international press corps covering the action from Arabia had a poll going, the winner of which would be the first guy that could prove he'd seen an Arab lifting anything heavier than money. :)
Bernard Lewis, in "What Went Wrong","The Clash between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East" observes:
"The proud heirs of ancient civilizations had got used to hiring Western firms to carry out tasks that their own contractors and technicians were apparently not capable of doing." (pg 152)
(Saudi Arabia is full of guest workers, to keep the systems that power the country working.)
And:
"According to a World Bank estimate, the total exports of the Arab world (500 million people) other than fossil fuels, amount to less than those of Finland, a country with 5 million inhabitants" (pg 47)
And:
"Only one Muslim state, the Turkish Republic, formally adopted secularism as a principle, and enacted the removal of Islam from the Constitution and the abrogration of the shari'a, which ceased to be part of the law of the land" (pg 106)
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But this has no bearing on 4 men flying 4 airplanes. The other 15 guys were just murderers.
A little training in plane handling, which the 4 guys had, and some experience with using the autopilot or just plain hand-flying to fly to selected VORs, and the job was relatively simple.
 

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