Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[mehmetin]

Not at cellular frequencies. And cell towers don't redirect anything; any reflections they see as interference.

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Ignore him and he will go away or post to himself.

Probably good advice.

Ignoring the truth is the solution you think? I leave to judge what's your behavior. You just escape the truth, exactly as G.W. Bush made, ignore the truth up to the end of your period.

 

[mehmetin]

You're still not making any sense. Simple question: why do you feel this is significant? The plane that took off first was hijacked first. The plane that took off second was hijacked second and so on. Why do you find that weird? Why would that be impossible?

Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off. The frist one was 15 minutes after take off. Let's sya, they shoudl deviate from 10 to 20 minutes after take off. The actual time gaps are 15, 28, 34, 53 minutes. Can you explain us why the last plane which was delayed by 41 minutes waited the maximum time before deviate? If there was a terrorist team inside, it should deviate within 10minutes, immediately after take off, especially its considered target, the white house, was near its takeoff airport. So why the ywaited 53 minutes, extremely long time, and by coincidence they deviated only 3 minutes before the Pentagon impact at 9:35.

 

[DGM]

Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off. The frist one was 15 minutes after take off. Let's sya, they shoudl deviate from 10 to 20 minutes after take off. The actual time gaps are 15, 28, 34, 53 minutes. Can you explain us why the last plane which was delayed by 41 minutes waited the maximum time before deviate? If there was a terrorist team inside, it should deviate within 10minutes, immediately after take off, especially its considered target, the white house, was near its takeoff airport. So why the ywaited 53 minutes, extremely long time, and by coincidence they deviated only 3 minutes before the Pentagon impact at 9:35.

Normally? You can show precedence?

 

[mehmetin]

Why do you apologize for murderers?

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Verified the dolts who did 911. You verified the murderers. You try to lie and cover up for your buddies, but you fail.

I am discovering the truth to make justice for the victims. You and your government is protecting the perpetrators who are NOT Muslims.

You are a liar, the passenger list had the Islamic terrorists listed, but the victims list did not. Victims were not the murderers. You tell lies. Slide 5, a big idiotic lie! You tell lies.

The aviation companies do not know who the terrorists were when they published their lists. So you are lying as the official report.

Useless time waste for initial anomalies.

Oh No.
Slide 6, another lie. The official report contains too many omissions, distortions and lies. No you are the only liar here, you spew moronic claptrap and can't prove a single omission, distortion or lie. You repeat, you regurgitate mindless delusions made up by morons in 911 truth. You tell lies and can't back up a single claim.

That’s fully true: The official reports contain too much lies and some of them are HUGE LIES. The main strong evidences are not considered, the succession of the hijacks is not considered.

The United States has a massive RADAR system. The RADAR system records activity that goes on. IF ATC has lost a target, or there is an accident, the RADAR systems in the United State are redundant. After 911 the tapes from all RADAR stations were saved, and those tapes track the exact movement of all aircraft on 911. Anyone can get a copy of the DATA, one of the problems in a free society is we all pay for idiots to get data, it is a law. The data shows each plane used on 911 from take off, to crash. Thus each plane is positively identified, and the DNA recovered at each site matched the victims, and the victims are dead, they are not fake, they are not coming back. Thus each plane was identified. You lied again in Slide 6.

The Pentagon plane is not identified.

Slide 8, you show a jet fuel fire ball and lie saying it is an explosion. Sorry, zero deaths at the Pentagon from explosives. You have no clue what explosives do, and you proved by posting the exact photo of what a jet fuel fireball looks like from the exact amount of fuel in a 757 as 77 had impacting at 488 knots.

The explosion is fully identified, its place, its damages all around are consistently identified. See following slides on the Pentagon strike.

Your entire power-point presentation is a moronic lie, an idiotic delusion.''

And you are unable to debunk the main slides, you just prefer to stop.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off. The frist one was 15 minutes after take off. Let's sya, they shoudl deviate from 10 to 20 minutes after take off. The actual time gaps are 15, 28, 34, 53 minutes. Can you explain us why the last plane which was delayed by 41 minutes waited the maximum time before deviate? If there was a terrorist team inside, it should deviate within 10minutes, immediately after take off, especially its considered target, the white house, was near its takeoff airport. So why the ywaited 53 minutes, extremely long time, and by coincidence they deviated only 3 minutes before the Pentagon impact at 9:35.

Normally? You can show precedence?

Yes, the next deviation was before the impact of the precedent plane, but it was after the end of the job of the team that controlled the plane. The automatic control system need to get total control on the plane during the last minutes of final approach to the target.

The deviation of a plane was always after the end of the job on one plane!

 

[mehmetin]

Is writing utter tripe for credulous readers halal earnings?

Is discovering the truth and making justice for the victims a crime? For me it’s an obligation to find the truth and make justice for whole humanity. The criminals inside the USA administration and in the Mossad will not make justice, they will not denounce themselves.

 

[DGM]

Yes, the next deviation was before the impact of the precedent plane, but it was after the end of the job of the team that controlled the plane. The automatic control system need to get total control on the plane during the last minutes of final approach to the target.

The deviation of a plane was always after the end of the job on one plane!

You missed what I meant. You said "Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off" . How do you figure this to be "normal" procedure?

 

[mehmetin]

Is writing utter tripe for credulous readers halal earnings?

The credulous people are the supporters of the official story. When they are not disinfo agents they are credulous people. Which one are you amongst them?

 

[mehmetin]

You missed what I meant. You said "Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off" . How do you figure this to be "normal" procedure?

Just consider the take off airports situated near the easy coast and the planes are flying toward west coast. They should takeover as soon as possible. So they can only plan to takeover as soon as possible. What could they plan other? Ok, they can try to get the impact of all planes at the same time or the takeover at the same time. In both cases, it's meaningless and creates more complexity in their job.

In no way they can plan to create a succession, one hijack start depending on another hijack end as it happened.

 

[EventHorizon]

Normally, with 4 different teams, the planes should deviate within similar time gap after take off. The frist one was 15 minutes after take off. Let's sya, they shoudl deviate from 10 to 20 minutes after take off. The actual time gaps are 15, 28, 34, 53 minutes. Can you explain us why the last plane which was delayed by 41 minutes waited the maximum time before deviate? If there was a terrorist team inside, it should deviate within 10minutes, immediately after take off, especially its considered target, the white house, was near its takeoff airport. So why the ywaited 53 minutes, extremely long time, and by coincidence they deviated only 3 minutes before the Pentagon impact at 9:35.

Where is the evidence that this means it was one team? Why does this rule out multiple teams? And what do you mean by one team anyway. Did they take a Star Trek transporter from plane to plane?

 

[mehmetin]

Where is the evidence that this means it was one team? Why does this rule out multiple teams? And what do you mean by one team anyway. Did they take a Star Trek transporter from plane to plane?

The evidence is simple: One team controlling the planes from a remote area can not work with several planes at a time. There should be only ONE (+ONE backup) people who controls the planes, managing ONE plane at a time. Before starting the hijack of a next plane, they should end their job with the current plane. End their job means terminate all adjustments and all verification, being sure the plane is flying at right altitude and at right direction toward its target. That happens some minutes before the impact; at that moment they can start the hijack of the next plane, some minutes before the impact.

That's what we saw in all planes. Such coordination is useles, extremely complicated, actually impossible to make by 4 different teams who can not be sure to be in touch each with other after take off.

You just need to think a little bit, it's special but not complicated.

 

[EventHorizon]

The evidence is simple: One team controlling the planes from a remote area can not work with several planes at a time. There should be only ONE (+ONE backup) people who controls the planes, managing ONE plane at a time. Before starting the hijack of a next plane, they should end their job with the current plane. End their job means terminate all adjustments and all verification, being sure the plane is flying at right altitude and at right direction toward its target. That happens some minutes before the impact; at that moment they can start the hijack of the next plane, some minutes before the impact.

Again, I'm looking for evidence here. Not opinion.

That's what we saw in all planes. Such coordination is useles, extremely complicated, actually impossible to make by 4 different teams who can not be sure to be in touch each with other after take off.

Again, I'm looking for evidence. Not opinion. Why is what happened impossible? You need to explain this with actual evidence. We're all waiting.

You just need to think a little bit,

You first. Your chart is ridiculous. You're seeing what you want to see in it.

 

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[I Ratant]

Advanced planning is not possible, because they can not plan the delays at take off. And thera was a 41 minutes delayed take off that changed nothing to the successive aspect of the hijacks.

The commission report does not explain that succession. They just covered it up. Sure, evidence that they can not explain will be covered up. The commission report is full of huge lies.

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The planning of the takeover of the four flights by the 19 Muslim terrorists had no reason to be a syncopated event.
Planning requires nothing more than finding 4 flights that occur about the same time.
This was done.
The planning succeeded!
Ya see, that's planning.
Delays in any flight would not affect the takeover of the flight by the 19 Muslim terrorists.
Shurely even you can comprehend this, you even say it; but in your anti-Semitic hate can't see what effect the delayed flight would have had, which is nothing, on the end result.
Your brain-fart on the other hand, requires a enormous amount of "planning", from choosing a totally unsuitable mechanism for the controller, getting that installed on the 4 airplanes ahead of time, which is not possible, due to the shifting of individual planes in each airlines' flight scheduling as their flight loadings change, day to day, your totally bat-**** crazy gassing fantasy...
That's the "planning" a child would come up with for a fairy tale... and you have. And done very poorly at it.

 

[carlitos]

I don't feel like dredging through previous pages of muck here, so: Please tell me he's only referring to the actuall cell phone calls, and not all the calls made from the jets. Because as has been pointed out time and time again, a majority of the calls placed were actually from the GTE Airfones, and those are designed to work from altitude.

I mentioned it a few times. I'll try color for emphasis.

1 - you are still wrong about the cell phones.

2 - GTE Airfone. Google it.

Memehtin, GTE Airfones are not cell phones. They were installed in planes to work in planes. Most of the calls were made from GTE Airfones. Do you know this?

Of course, either he'll point at DRG's supposed "airfones uninstalled" argument or he'll change the topic to something else - truthers all have the same playbook, it's just a matter of which page they're reading at the moment. But regardless, for this specific subtopic, I do hope that all that sturm und drang is restricted to the subset of calls actually made from individual passenger's personal cell phones, and not from the seatback ones. Because if not, well... some more research is necessary on his part.

I seriously doubt that he has thought it out enough to actually do that research. I think he's hung up on voice-morphing, IIRC.

 

[I Ratant]

I used airfones flying across the country in 1991.
Hardly anything astounding in 2001.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Is discovering the truth and making justice for the victims a crime? For me it’s an obligation to find the truth and make justice for whole humanity. The criminals inside the USA administration and in the Mossad will not make justice, they will not denounce themselves.

Your behaviour in this thread has been intellectually dishonest. Where you have acknowledged inaccuracies in your claims you have allowed them to remain on your site while dismissing them of trivialities. In the remainder of cases you have ignored or selectively answered objections to your claims and evidence, offered up simple gainsaying and branded contradicting evidence as a lie. I think you know that not any aspect of your so-called research would not be accepted for peer review because it is not anywhere near being an honest intellectual inquiry and, in the cell phone case at least, probably wrong on technical details.

 

[JohnG]

Your brain-fart on the other hand, requires a enormous amount of "planning", from choosing a totally unsuitable mechanism for the controller, getting that installed on the 4 airplanes ahead of time, which is not possible, due to the shifting of individual planes in each airlines' flight scheduling as their flight loadings change, day to day, your totally bat-**** crazy gassing fantasy...
That's the "planning" a child would come up with for a fairy tale... and you have. And done very poorly at it.

Mehmetin, are you beginning to see how wildly unwieldy the plan you're suggesting is? Did they install these special mechanisms in just four planes? How far in advance? What would have happened if one of the planes had developed some mechanical problem a day earlier and was grounded at some other airport? What if one of these other mechanics had stumbled across the poison gas canisters, tomahawk guidance systems or other special rigging? Or weather problems had caused one of the planes to be, say, flying over the Rockies rather than sitting on the tarmac at Logan when the supposed hijackers were supposed to be boarding their flights? The scheme your conspirators had devised to place specific people at specific airports on very specific planes would have fallen apart if those planes weren't exactly where they should be on the day in question. Just how many rigged jets and fake teams of hijackers would be required to allow for any of the sorts of variables I've mentioned?

Let's now look at the "official story". For the 19 Muslim hijackers plan to work, they don't need very specific, pre-rigged jets to accomplish their goal. They just need box-cutters, a certain ruthless determination, basic flying skills and any jet with at least enough fuel to fly to their targets. Unlike the conspirators in your scheme, they don't care if their true identities/motives are discovered after the deed is done, quite the contrary in fact.

I ask you again, this scheme you think the perpetrators adopted, it's an evil scheme, yes, but is it a smart scheme? A scheme that is likely to work and remain undiscovered for years or even decades? Please don't dodge this question and say that you would never perpetrate such a scheme yourself for moral reasons. That is beside the point. I am asking you to consider not the morals of the plan but the logistics of the plan itself as a thought experiment. Actually write down what you think would be required to pull the scheme off from A to Z and ask yourself if this is an intelligent scheme with a reasonable chance of success. Believers in the "official story" can do this quite easily, but I have yet to see any believer in an alternate 9/11-related theory do so.

 

[George 152]

The antennas upward emission direction is about 4°, let's get some margin and let's consider 10°. The accessible distance is about 10km. The maximum reachable altitude is 10000*sinus(10°)=10000*0.137=1370m. Let's consider the maximum altitude at that area of 1500(I did not verified), the maximum reachable altitude becomes 1500+1370=2870m, let's sya 3000m. This is too much smaller than 10000m usual altitude of the civil aircrafts.

The strongest evidence of the official stry is the phone caals, and they are all faked. The official story has no evidence backing it.

Your inventafallacy machine appears to be broken!
As well your technobabble waffler isn't putting stuff in the right places.
Cell phones and Airphones can be used from aircraft..
oh and if you want to sound like you're not completely stupid altitude isn't measured in metres

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
The evidence is simple: One team controlling the planes from a remote area can not work with several planes at a time. There should be only ONE (+ONE backup) people who controls the planes, managing ONE plane at a time. Before starting the hijack of a next plane, they should end their job with the current plane. End their job means terminate all adjustments and all verification, being sure the plane is flying at right altitude and at right direction toward its target. That happens some minutes before the impact; at that moment they can start the hijack of the next plane, some minutes before the impact.

Again, I'm looking for evidence here. Not opinion.

There is no evidence here, there is an explanation! Do ou have any argument against it? Do you have an other method a team controlling the planes could act from a remote area? If yes, feel free to show it up. If not, that means the explanation is logical.

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That's what we saw in all planes. Such coordination is useles, extremely complicated, actually impossible to make by 4 different teams who can not be sure to be in touch each with other after take off.

Again, I'm looking for evidence. Not opinion. Why is what happened impossible? You need to explain this with actual evidence. We're all waiting.

There is an evidence here. You can find the succession of the hijack in this graphic. You can check the deviation times of all planes, ad if there are some differences between that graphic, you can tell it. I am waiting.