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King of the Americas said:
The U.S., Russia, China, and a few other nations, but none of these efforts represent in any way Mankind, the Global community, or even most people.
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I would suggest the people who attend the Olympics opening ceremony does not represent most people, but only a fraction of a fraction of some people.
 
bruto said:
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THAT'S RIGHT, ONE OF THEM IS HOLDING A MACHETE! Gee, I wonder if they know what steel is?

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I see no machete.

I suppose I could demand proof of metal implement, and then claim that you simply misidentified the item.

Then again, ancient people developed smelting methods, so maybe the guy holding what you deem a machete is really just an old tool passed down to him from the Puma Punku folks...

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These pictures: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/brazilian-indians-threate_n_816346.html#233132

..SEEM to show someone small/young holding a machete, and even a small white pot.

Does this mean they HAVE made contact with modern men, or is there simply a chance they found these items, without making actual contact?
 
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King of the Americas said:
I think this video is relevant to this discussion:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-video_n_818621.html

I can help but wonder how these tribesmen describe the loud white bird circling their village to those who haven't seen it...

Interestingly, the leading researcher wants to allow the tribesmen decide for themselves to make contact.

I've argued the same for our heavenly watchers. They'll descend, when we decide, as a global community, that we want to make contact.

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CONVERSATION WITHIN THE TRIBE:

Witness: "So, did anyone else see that loud white bird today?"

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why are YOU the only one who ever sees this L.W.B. Do you have any PROOF that you saw this L.W.B., did it drop any feathers, did you find where it nested?"

Witness: "No, but Umfu saw it too, an he drew this picture."

Skeptic Tribesman: "That doesn't look like any bird I've ever seen. Were you guys drinking the spit beer again?"

Witness"No. But Umfu and I think the L.W.B. is piloted by some sort of advanced intelligence, since it circled us several times. As it flew away, we waved, and it circled back, and waved its wings back at us."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Bwaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaaa! You CAN'T be serious! An advanced intelligence...? Do you have any evidence whatsoever?"

Witness"No."

Skeptic Trivesman: "Then shut up, you are just telling stories, again. Your anecdotes are useless."

Witness: "But you don't understand, this could be our chance to make contact with a superior race, and join a larger world beyond this little patch of jungle."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why don't you bring back some proof, then we'll talk."

Witness: ...shrugs and walks away mumbling ... "Ignorant skeptic..." Takes boomerang and brings down the next plane, brings parts to skeptics.
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ftfy
 
King of the Americas said:
I see no machete.

I suppose I could demand proof of metal implement, and then claim that you simply misidentified the item.

Then again, ancient people developed smelting methods, so maybe the guy holding what you deem a machete is really just an old tool passed down to him from the Puma Punku folks...

ETA:

These pictures: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/brazilian-indians-threate_n_816346.html#233132

..SEEM to show someone small/young holding a machete, and even a small white pot.

Does this mean they HAVE made contact with modern men, or is there simply a chance they found these items, without making actual contact?
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Apologies for giving you the wrong lead. I forgot where I had been. When the video stopped loading, I went to the stills, and the one you link above is the one I meant. It's pretty clear that it's a machete and what I'm guessing is a small enamel pot.

For those wishing a quick look, here it is nice and big (please don't violate forum rules by turning this into a hot link):http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/16666/slide_16666_233132_huge.jpg?1296874082

I believe what is meant by "uncontacted" here is that the tribe as a whole shuns contact and that there has been no effort by outside governments, etc. to contact them either. It does not mean they're undiscovered, and I don't think it means that some individuals have not interacted with persons outside the tribe, perhaps with other indigenous peoples, at some point. Of course it does remain possible that these items were found, but even so, they know what they are, and must be aware that other people exist, so my point still stands, that their isolation is voluntary.

Of course one reason they remain uncontacted is that it appears the Peruvian government finds it easier to deny their existence. If they don't officially exist, then they and their lands need not be protected. For a long time, this probably worked to their advantage, as long as there was enough land for them to disappear into. It only becomes critical as resources dwindle and living space diminishes.
 
So, the question is "How would this tribe indicate that they WANTED to make contact with the L.W.B.'s pilots?"

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"Besides showing the L.W.B. to the other tribesmen directly, what proof could they possibly offer, that such a thing even exists?"
 
King of the Americas said:
So, the question is "How would this tribe indicate that they WANTED to make contact with the L.W.B.'s pilots?"

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"Besides showing the L.W.B. to the other tribesmen directly, what proof could they possibly offer, that such a thing even exists?"
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Of course we don't know what they think the planes are, or what they are doing, or whether individual adventurers have gone out and returned with more detailed knowledge. But the pictures show a fair number of people looking at the plane, so we can surmise that they won't have too much trouble convincing others. Remember too that airplanes are very audible. It's pretty certain that everyone there has heard them before, and that everyone in the neighborhood when those pictures were taken heard the plane, and saw it if they cared to. Obviously from the pictures they were not afraid to look.

I suppose that if they wanted contact specifically with the pilots flying overhead, they might wave, bow, smile, make other welcoming gestures, perhaps hold up bowls of food. It's a mildly interesting question, but not a real stumper of a problem. Most people can figure out how to make a gesture that means, if not "welcome," at least "let's interact."

If they wanted contact in general, with outsiders not specifically those they see flying over, they could probably just walk out until they find someone, or, if accounts are accurate, simply not flee deeper into the woods when they see or hear the loggers coming.
 
carlitos said:
Whoosh.

ETA - speaking of which, the gods that taught the Inca to carve sandstone and stuff - why didn't they bother teaching those cats a written language?
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King of the Americas said:
nada, zilch, zippo, silencio***.....
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carlitos said:
King of the Americas said:
^That^ is known as a non-response, response.
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carlitos said:
...speaking of which, the gods that taught the Inca to carve sandstone and stuff - why didn't they bother teaching those cats a written language?
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King of the Americas said:
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***My man didn't say that, I'm paraphrasing his non-response this way.

No comments? OK. Happy weekend.
 
King of the Americas said:
I think this video is relevant to this discussion:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-video_n_818621.html

I can help but wonder how these tribesmen describe the loud white bird circling their village to those who haven't seen it...

Interestingly, the leading researcher wants to allow the tribesmen decide for themselves to make contact.

I've argued the same for our heavenly watchers. They'll descend, when we decide, as a global community, that we want to make contact....
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The amusing thing about your example is that it demonstrates that ignorance of the facts leads to a erroneous conclusion.

If you are implying that these tribespeople thought this was a sighting of gods - it's obvious that they are wrong. It was merely a plane.

Your conclusion that your UFO sighting is evidence of gods above us is equally erroneous.
 
bruto said:
Of course we don't know what they think the planes are, or what they are doing, or whether individual adventurers have gone out and returned with more detailed knowledge. But the pictures show a fair number of people looking at the plane, so we can surmise that they won't have too much trouble convincing others. Remember too that airplanes are very audible. It's pretty certain that everyone there has heard them before, and that everyone in the neighborhood when those pictures were taken heard the plane, and saw it if they cared to. Obviously from the pictures they were not afraid to look.

I suppose that if they wanted contact specifically with the pilots flying overhead, they might wave, bow, smile, make other welcoming gestures, perhaps hold up bowls of food. It's a mildly interesting question, but not a real stumper of a problem. Most people can figure out how to make a gesture that means, if not "welcome," at least "let's interact."

If they wanted contact in general, with outsiders not specifically those they see flying over, they could probably just walk out until they find someone, or, if accounts are accurate, simply not flee deeper into the woods when they see or hear the loggers coming.
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First, I don't know how many tribesmen there are there, nor do we know what they 'know' about the log eat monsters or the loud bird that flys over.

Then again, maybe they know exactly what and who we are, after talking to other tribes who have made contact. Maybe they are trying to hold on to what and who they are now and don't want to make contact.

My point is that there is a parallel to these tribesmen and their heavenly onlooker and us and ours.
 
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EHocking said:
The amusing thing about your example is that it demonstrates that ignorance of the facts leads to a erroneous conclusion.

If you are implying that these tribespeople thought this was a sighting of gods - it's obvious that they are wrong. It was merely a plane.

Your conclusion that your UFO sighting is evidence of gods above us is equally erroneous.
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In my faux tribal conversation, I never had them mention "gods", on purpose. What the tribesmen called it was an advanced technology, and an advanced race.

What we are seeing in our heavens isn't "God" either, just a more advanced race with better technology.
 
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