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I think this video is relevant to this discussion:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-video_n_818621.html

I can help but wonder how these tribesmen describe the loud white bird circling their village to those who haven't seen it...

Interestingly, the leading researcher wants to allow the tribesmen decide for themselves to make contact.

I've argued the same for our heavenly watchers. They'll descend, when we decide, as a global community, that we want to make contact.

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CONVERSATION WITHIN THE TRIBE:

Witness: "So, did anyone else see that loud white bird today?"

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why are YOU the only one who ever sees this L.W.B. Do you have any PROOF that you saw this L.W.B., did it drop any feathers, did you find where it nested?"

Witness: "No, but Umfu saw it too, an he drew this picture."

Skeptic Tribesman: "That doesn't look like any bird I've ever seen. Were you guys drinking the spit beer again?"

Witness"No. But Umfu and I think the L.W.B. is piloted by some sort of advanced intelligence, since it circled us several times. As it flew away, we waved, and it circled back, and waved its wings back at us."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Bwaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaaa! You CAN'T be serious! An advanced intelligence...? Do you have any evidence whatsoever?"

Witness"No."

Skeptic Trivesman: "Then shut up, you are just telling stories, again. Your anecdotes are useless."

Witness: "But you don't understand, this could be our chance to make contact with a superior race, and join a larger world beyond this little patch of jungle."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why don't you bring back some proof, then we'll talk."

Witness: ...shrugs and walks away mumbling ... "Ignorant skeptic..."
 
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King of the Americas said:
I think this video is relevant to this discussion:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-video_n_818621.html

I can help but wonder how these tribesmen describe the loud white bird circling their village to those who haven't seen it...

Interestingly, the leading researcher wants to allow the tribesmen decide for themselves to make contact.

I've argued the same for our heavenly watchers. They'll descend, when we decide, as a global community, that we want to make contact.

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CONVERSATION WITHIN THE TRIBE:

Witness: "So, did anyone else see that loud white bird today?"

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why are YOU the only one who ever sees this L.W.B. Do you have any PROOF that you saw this L.W.B., did it drop any feathers, did you find where it nested?"

Witness: "No, but Umfu saw it too, an he drew this picture."

Skeptic Tribesman: "That doesn't look like any bird I've ever seen. Were you guys drinking the spit beer again?"

Witness"No. But Umfu and I think the L.W.B. is piloted by some sort of advanced intelligence, since it circled us several times. As it flew away, we waved, and it circled back, and waved its wings back at us."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Bwaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaaa! You CAN'T be serious! An advanced intelligence...? Do you have any evidence whatsoever?"

Witness"No."

Skeptic Trivesman: "Then shut up, you are just telling stories, again. Your anecdotes are useless."

Witness: "But you don't understand, this could be our chance to make contact with a superior race, and join a larger world beyond this little patch of jungle."

Skeptic Tribesman: "Why don't you bring back some proof, then we'll talk."

Witness: ...shrugs and walks away mumbling ... "Ignorant skeptic..."
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Lucky for us that they speak English.
 
Whoosh.

ETA - speaking of which, the gods that taught the Inca to carve sandstone and stuff - why didn't they bother teaching those cats a written language?
 
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King, one of the many problems you have failed to address is that if your gods return, how we can communicate with them. When this bilateral communication issue was pointed out to you, you replied that dogs can learn commands. Unless your dog talks back to you in detail, you missed the point. In other words, whoosh.
 
carlitos said:
... In other words, whoosh.
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Do you see ANY parallels between the discussion we are having, and the un-contacted tribe, and how they would go about confirming 'we' exist among their tribe, and then how we'd decide that they wanted to make contact with us...?

No?

WHOOOOOOSH.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Kind of like ebony and ivory. I'll be the sarcasm part. What part are you playing?

Don't try to hold my hand.
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I'll play the skeptic.

"No one has EVER produced a single shred of evidence of these L.W.B.'s, and you want the whole tribe to go outside and look up, at some designated time???

What a colossal waste of hunting and gather resources.

You are wasting everyone's time with your anecdotes."

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Your turn.
 
King of the Americas said:
I've argued the same for our heavenly watchers. They'll descend, when we decide, as a global community, that we want to make contact.

***snip***
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Here's a question... how blind are "our heavenly watchers" if they've missed the signals we've been sending out for around about the last fifty years?

Rockets, probes, landers, rovers, space telescopes, radio, microwave, laser, etc... etc... etc...

How dense are "the watchers"? Why hasn't it dawned on them... "Gee, maybe these Earthlings are looking for something?"

How the Hell is a bunch of people gazing skyward at the next Olympic games a more clear indication of our desire to make contact than THE ENTIRE SPACE EXPLORATION PROGRAM OF THE LAST HALF A CENTURY!?

What? Do "they" think we're sending up rockets to look for a set of lost car keys or a pet ferret that wandered off?

How about if we write COME OUT AND PLAY WITH US. PRETTY PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP on the dark side of the moon in giant flashing letters? You think that might get it through their thick skulls?
 
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King of the Americas said:
^That^ is known as a non-response, response.
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carlitos said:
...speaking of which, the gods that taught the Inca to carve sandstone and stuff - why didn't they bother teaching those cats a written language?
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King of the Americas said:
?...?
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:i:

Dude, I understand the point you are making about a tribe HERE ON EARTH that hasn't made contact with most of civilization HERE ON EARTH and the moral / ethical / logistical dilemma faced by all parties involved, as to how everyone makes contact or not. I get the theoretical parallels you are trying to draw - gee, if the tribe held a track meet, and they all looked up, you would assume that they want to be contacted?

All of these things can and will be resolved without the Laws of Physics being repealed. I get your point. Unknown tribe needs to figure out how to signal Brazilian gov't that they want contact. I understand.

Seriously, enjoy your weekend. If you find evidence for gods in the heavens, post it. Relax.
 
Psiload said:
Here's a question... how blind are "our heavenly watchers" if they've missed the signals we've been sending out for around about the last fifty years.

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Because the part can't speak for the whole...

ONE or even TWO tribesmen aren't going to get the plane to land.

However, if EVERYONE in the tribe showed up, and tried to wave the plane down, maybe then we'd think they ALL wanted us to make contact with them.
 
King of the Americas said:
I'll play the skeptic.

"No one has EVER produced a single shred of evidence of these L.W.B.'s, and you want the whole tribe to go outside and look up, at some designated time???

What a colossal waste of hunting and gather resources.

You are wasting everyone's time with your anecdotes."

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Your turn.
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So I get to play the creduloid?

"But I heard my Aunt Erma's postman's rock carver's niece's head shrinker said that his dog bigfoot was barking one night and he went and looked outside and the bigfoot was looking up! It must be aliens! gods!"
 
King of the Americas said:
Because the part can't speak for the whole...

ONE or even TWO tribesmen aren't going to get the plane to land.

However, if EVERYONE in the tribe showed up, and tried to wave the plane down, maybe then we'd think they ALL wanted us to make contact with them.
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Now we're supposed to wave while we look up?

What kind of fancy-pants aliens are these? Next thing you'll probably tell me is I have to give them half my sandwich. Not gonna happen. That's MY sandwich. Aliens be damned.
 
King of the Americas said:
Because the part can't speak for the whole...

ONE or even TWO tribesmen aren't going to get the plane to land.

However, if EVERYONE in the tribe showed up, and tried to wave the plane down, maybe then we'd think they ALL wanted us to make contact with them.
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What does the entirety of our space exploration programs represent if not a massive concerted effort by humankind to make contact?
 
King, I think before you stretch your analogy too far, you should look a little further into what is meant by an "uncontacted" tribe. I believe you vastly understimate their reticence, and vastly overestimate their naiveté.

This one sentence from the Huffington article should ring a bell:

"Illegal loggers have entered the Peru side, forcing the Indians into Brazil"

THEY KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE! If they didn't, they would not have felt the need to move!

Now, if your internet connection is working better than mine tonight (mine stalled and I couldn't get the whole video to play) take a good look at the very first shot in the picture. Do you notice anything about the implements they're using?

THAT'S RIGHT, ONE OF THEM IS HOLDING A MACHETE! Gee, I wonder if they know what steel is?

If these folks were, indeed, the analogue of your gods from space, then they would provide you with an ample answer to your project. They are uncontacted by choice. If they were not, there would be no debate now on the subject. They shun us and flee us.
 
Psiload said:
What does the entirety of our space exploration programs represent if not a massive concerted effort by humankind to make contact?
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The U.S., Russia, China, and a few other nations, but none of these efforts represent in any way Mankind, the Global community, or even most people.

In fact, it could be argued that NASA represents only NASA, and NOT the wishes, desires, or need for people to make contact with 'them'.

One might even argue that these entities have been indeed hiding and or preventing 'them' from making contact with Mankind.
 
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