Cainkane1
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Ok there were pictures of under 8 children and the question was asked. Is it abuse or dicipline to put hot sauce on a childs tongue when he or she misbehaves. Ok is this mere diciplining or abuse?
I read about "hot saucing" on the internet
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theprestige
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It's a gray area. Discipline in one case may be abuse in another. Each child, each parent, each household is different. Some things are clearly abuse. Others are clearly a profound lack of discipline. Somewhere in between, parents must use their own judgement, tempered by what we hope are healthy humanitarian impulses, to decide what methods of discipline are appropriate.
ETA: I mean, my parents thought corporal punishment was an appropriate form of discipline. I don't think it'd be appropriate to discipline my own children with spankings, but I never thought or felt like my parents ever abused me. Indeed, looking at my peers growing up, it was pretty obvious to me that my parents were kinder, better parents than most.
Maybe if I had kids of my own, my opinion on corporal punishment might change. Who knows?
On the other hand, my sister disciplines her son by making him stand in the corner. The way he carries on, you'd think she was a prison rapist at Abu Ghraib. Hearing him scream, you'd be hard pressed to think that being made to stand in the corner wasn't violent abuse. But in fact, he's such a pest that I'm constantly amazed at my sister's humanitarian impulses. Certainly mine are in constant jeopardy of being abandoned whenever I'm around him. Luckily for both of us, I have the option of leaving the house when he's throwing one of his tantrums. My sister just stands him in the corner and waits him out.
But I'm sure somebody somewhere will tell you that standing in the corner is a form of abuse.
ETA: I mean, my parents thought corporal punishment was an appropriate form of discipline. I don't think it'd be appropriate to discipline my own children with spankings, but I never thought or felt like my parents ever abused me. Indeed, looking at my peers growing up, it was pretty obvious to me that my parents were kinder, better parents than most.
Maybe if I had kids of my own, my opinion on corporal punishment might change. Who knows?
On the other hand, my sister disciplines her son by making him stand in the corner. The way he carries on, you'd think she was a prison rapist at Abu Ghraib. Hearing him scream, you'd be hard pressed to think that being made to stand in the corner wasn't violent abuse. But in fact, he's such a pest that I'm constantly amazed at my sister's humanitarian impulses. Certainly mine are in constant jeopardy of being abandoned whenever I'm around him. Luckily for both of us, I have the option of leaving the house when he's throwing one of his tantrums. My sister just stands him in the corner and waits him out.
But I'm sure somebody somewhere will tell you that standing in the corner is a form of abuse.
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RecoveringYuppy
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Was the child's tongue cooked first or not?
I Am The Scum
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I think a decent metric is that, on matters of discipline, if the warden isn't allowed to do it to his prisoners, then you're not allowed to do it to your kids.
BenBurch
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How horrible.
Parents need to return to less cruel forms of discipline like caning and scalding!
Parents need to return to less cruel forms of discipline like caning and scalding!
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It's an indication of a parent that is in need of learning some parenting skills. There are much better ways to teach than using fear.
Unless you are teaching your child the consequences of a bet the kid can eat a hot pepper.
Unless you are teaching your child the consequences of a bet the kid can eat a hot pepper.
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Indeed. This is the only real cruel part about this. But if you ask enough people you'll find any discipline of children is cruel in someone's opinion.
Cainkane1
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Either that or they will develope a taste for it.
Bikewer
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We had a friend who was in "special" education; she said they did it to problem kids all the time. They often did not respond to other sorts of discipline...
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I know someone who was disciplined in this way, and they are unable to enjoy a large variety of spicy food as a result. I would say any form of discipline that causes permanent emotional damage of this sort is unacceptable. Though in fairness, it could be because they were disciplined unusually severely or with extremely hot sauce or something. But I certainly wouldn't be willing to take that chance with my kids.
Don't know about that. If a prisoner is way out of order, truncheons come out.
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Great photos of parenting received today....
Note the reddish left sleeve on her tee shirt...
And what did it,
And what it looked like,
And Daddy had to get the photos before going to the ER.
Not as bad as hot-saucing a kid's mouth, but about the same indifference and just plain bad parenting...
Note the reddish left sleeve on her tee shirt...
And what did it,
And what it looked like,
And Daddy had to get the photos before going to the ER.
Not as bad as hot-saucing a kid's mouth, but about the same indifference and just plain bad parenting...
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I am upset that this thread has nothing to do with kinky sexual practices 
Skeptic Ginger
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According to ?
Were the "other methods" that didn't work really the only other options? I'm not familiar with training the developmentally disabled and I know they can be very challenging. But it sounds cruel and I wouldn't use the method on my dog so I find it a tad specious when someone says it is all one can do with a person who may not even understand their surroundings. And some of these developmentally disabled people have learned their bad behavior in really horrendous situations.
My guess is some science has been done to develop the best methods to handle serious behavior problems and I'd be willing to bet that inflicting pain is not one of the methods.
No, it's absolutely fine 
. Other forms of safe and effective discipline could include waterboarding, slapping them with a phone book or telling them there are monsters in the cupboard then locking them in there while you go to the pub so you don't have to hear their wails of terror.
No inconvenient external marks that you have to explain to their teachers, you know Billy can only 'fall down the stairs' so many times - dont'cha know what I mean...
Jesus, you have to ask if it's acceptable? Short answer is "no"
You're basically asking the equivalent of "is it ok to burn a child's hand on a hot stove to punish them if it won't leave a mark?"
. Other forms of safe and effective discipline could include waterboarding, slapping them with a phone book or telling them there are monsters in the cupboard then locking them in there while you go to the pub so you don't have to hear their wails of terror. No inconvenient external marks that you have to explain to their teachers, you know Billy can only 'fall down the stairs' so many times - dont'cha know what I mean...
Jesus, you have to ask if it's acceptable? Short answer is "no"
You're basically asking the equivalent of "is it ok to burn a child's hand on a hot stove to punish them if it won't leave a mark?"