I read about "hot saucing" on the internet

casebro said:
Punishment has to be instant to work. Calling the bad dog to you, then spanking him, is only teaching the dog that bad things happen when he obeys.
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That's because dogs are stupid, and they have no mastery of language.
 
FSM76 said:
Shouldn't parents want X amount of control?
Surely reasonably minds can agree it is a continuum, we just disagree on a value of X.

I would presume that few, if any, are inclined to have no control over their children. Likewise, I am sure few if any want total control over their children's lives.
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I just meant they wanted control vs wanting to see the kids in pain.
 
FSM76 said:
You have (anecdotal) evidence that you, your brothers, and son did not require "hitting" to be "raised properly".
That doesn't speak to other individuals or value systems.

I would hold the same for the opposite argument- the fact that I was spanked and "raised properly" is not evidence any more than in your example.
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Did you miss the part, why hit if one doesn't need to? That wasn't saying all spanked kids are harmed.

As for the anecdotal evidence, puhleese. There is a ton of evidence one can raise a child without hitting them. Should I also ask you to waste your time posting evidence hitting doesn't harm every kid? Obviously many parents hit and many don't. There are established methods that work very well and don't involve hitting.

Why would you want to hit your kids if you didn't need to?

No wait, don't bother answering. I've heard it all before. Here's a better way to demonstrate my point. Take a family that has learned perfectly effective non-hitting means of educating and guiding children's behavior. Do you really think you could convince them hitting is better?

Why is that? I'd bet at least some parents who learn effective parenting without hitting would be happy to change. What does that difference tell you?
 
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I have a similar question. My 5-year-old is constantly biting her nails. We've tried the over-the-counter stuff that tastes bad, but it doesn't phase her. We've threatened to put Tabasco on them because she doesn't like spicy things.

I think the Tabasco is a legit method. If she doesn't put her hands in her mouth, nothing happens. I also find it more apropos than a generic punishment as described above.

Thoughts?
 
bozothedeathmachine said:
I have a similar question. My 5-year-old is constantly biting her nails. We've tried the over-the-counter stuff that tastes bad, but it doesn't phase her. We've threatened to put Tabasco on them because she doesn't like spicy things.

I think the Tabasco is a legit method. If she doesn't put her hands in her mouth, nothing happens. I also find it more apropos than a generic punishment as described above.

Thoughts?
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She could experience extreme discomfort when using her fingers in perfectly legitimate ways. That would be my thought.
 
GlennB said:
She could experience extreme discomfort when using her fingers in perfectly legitimate ways. That would be my thought.
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That is my issue with the whole thing and why we've only threatened it instead of doing it. The first time she rubs her eyes it'll be all over.
 
bozothedeathmachine said:
That is my issue with the whole thing and why we've only threatened it instead of doing it. The first time she rubs her eyes it'll be all over.
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Worse yet, normal bathroom behavior could well cause irritation to more delicate areas.

I slice and dice habaneros to prep them to make then into a powder.

The juice, if embedded under your fingernails, will burn for days and you'd swear satan himself peed on your hand.

Soap and water will prove ineffective. Isopropyl alcohol is your only hope of clean up, and works only if you get to it before the burning starts.
 
I had my share of soap flakes jammed in between my teeth as a kid for Rule 10 violations.

I'm having a hard time imagining Tobasco™ sauce being much less pleasant.
 
Polaris said:
You got $5?! I ate one for free by mistaking it for a cherry pepper.
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But the bet was I couldn't drink anything for a full 5 minutes afterwards... it was a long 5 minutes!

But at he time our favorite bar sold pitchers of beer for $1.75, so the $5 went a long way. :p
 
Bikewer said:
We had a friend who was in "special" education; she said they did it to problem kids all the time. They often did not respond to other sorts of discipline...
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In the same circumstances, she would no longer be my friend. I know some kids with very serious behaviour problems, and I would neither do this to any of them, nor tolerate anybody else doing it. And I know plenty of special needs teachers who have never had to resort to anything like this because, quite simply, they are competent to do their jobs.

Dave
 
bozothedeathmachine said:
I have a similar question. My 5-year-old is constantly biting her nails. We've tried the over-the-counter stuff that tastes bad, but it doesn't phase her. We've threatened to put Tabasco on them because she doesn't like spicy things.

I think the Tabasco is a legit method. If she doesn't put her hands in her mouth, nothing happens. I also find it more apropos than a generic punishment as described above.

Thoughts?
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When I was little, I sucked my thumb. My mom put tabasco on my thumb so I would keep it out of my mouth because I was ruining my teeth alignment. It didn't work. I got used to the tabasco. The drive to suck my thumb was greater than the initial discomfort. Eventually I stopped on my own. (Well, my boss said it was unprofessional in business meetings, anyway). I don't see it as abuse, just a failed effort.

I still like hot stuff. I used to put dots of Tabasco on Frito's when I was a teenager. Love hot wings.
 
I Ratant said:
Great photos of parenting received today....
Not as bad as hot-saucing a kid's mouth, but about the same indifference and just plain bad parenting...
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E-mail forward without the true story strikes again! That isn't a bad parenting story at all.

That dad killed the attacking fish by stabbing it with a fillet knife and cut his anchor line to get to shore ASAP.

"Koral and her dad snapped quick picture before jumping in the car and heading to the hospital. The poor girl looked absolutely traumatized in the photo but said she wasn't in pain at the moment, just creeped out by the fish."

Quote from her mom: "By the time we got to shore.. she was joking, calm and no bleeding...she didn't even cry."
 
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WildCat said:
From what I understand it's quite common in Mexican fanilies to discipline a kid by making him eat a slice of jalapeno. Or at least I know some who do that.
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At the Subway, they ask if you want jalapeno on the sammich.
And Planter's has a jalapeno peanut. Tastes awful.
I'll try most anything once.
And sometimes once is enough.
 
casebro said:
Punishment has to be instant to work. Calling the bad dog to you, then spanking him, is only teaching the dog that bad things happen when he obeys.

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I let my dog sniff the end of a 9-volt battery.
He only did that the once.!
Wouldn't fall for that after.
 
FSM76 said:
You have (anecdotal) evidence that you, your brothers, and son did not require "hitting" to be "raised properly".
That doesn't speak to other individuals or value systems.

I would hold the same for the opposite argument- the fact that I was spanked and "raised properly" is not evidence any more than in your example.
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Spanking worked for the three of us.
 
Lithrael said:
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Quote from her mom: "By the time we got to shore.. she was joking, calm and no bleeding...she didn't even cry."
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The first photo, she's not gamboling around all that much now, is she?
And the 51` stitches.. I bet she'll treasure those.
 
bozothedeathmachine said:
I have a similar question. My 5-year-old is constantly biting her nails. We've tried the over-the-counter stuff that tastes bad, but it doesn't phase her. We've threatened to put Tabasco on them because she doesn't like spicy things.

I think the Tabasco is a legit method. If she doesn't put her hands in her mouth, nothing happens. I also find it more apropos than a generic punishment as described above.

Thoughts?
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How about investigating the issue to see what has been discovered about the habit?

Edited to add: You should have the behavior evaluated to see if it is a minor issue or evidence of a more severe obsessive compulsive disorder. The latter may do better with drug treatment and you wouldn't want to keep trying to change a behavior the child really could not help.

That doesn't means every child who develops a nail biting habit has OCD. About 30% of kids do it at one time or another. I'm just suggesting you investigate the underlying cause in case there is more to it. Try a PubMed search to find some suggested solutions.

I suggest the best option is to gain her cooperation in breaking the habit. Does she care? It shouldn't be that hard to motivate her. Then you address the issue together rather than treating it as a discipline problem.

Maybe she'd accept gloves, or even the hot sauce just as a reminder she was doing it when she put her fingers to her mouth. I found the alcohol based hand sanitizers were a good way to notice when I was inadvertently putting my hands to my mouth as we all do without thinking. So not only did I get the benefit of killing organisms on my hands, I got the benefit of decreasing the number of times I put potentially contaminated fingers to my mouth, a common way disease is spread. In any case, fear of pain is probably the least effective way to approach the problem. The point of the hot sauce or anything else shouldn't be used as a threat, only as an aid to the child noticing when the behavior was occurring.
 
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