I read about "hot saucing" on the internet

[Jeff Corey]

According to ?

Were the "other methods" that didn't work really the only other options? I'm not familiar with training the developmentally disabled and I know they can be very challenging. But it sounds cruel and I wouldn't use the method on my dog so I find it a tad specious when someone says it is all one can do with a person who may not even understand their surroundings. And some of these developmentally disabled people have learned their bad behavior in really horrendous situations.

My guess is some science has been done to develop the best methods to handle serious behavior problems and I'd be willing to bet that inflicting pain is not one of the methods.

Yes, you are correct.

 

[NewtonTrino]

I know someone who was disciplined in this way, and they are unable to enjoy a large variety of spicy food as a result. I would say any form of discipline that causes permanent emotional damage of this sort is unacceptable.

I think this gets to the heart of the issue. We aren't trying to create a bunch of hot sauce fetishists or haters here. Of course I'm not sure of any discipline that someone couldn't fetishize or turn into a phobia in some way.

 

[Travis]

I suspect that sick things like this have little to do with trying to help the kid and are more about a sadistic parent who derives pleasure from seeing their kids in pain.

 

[Varanid]

Hot saucing may be a bit much, but I think the world would be a far better place if more parents used appropriate, thoughtful, non-anger oriented, corporal punishment.

IMO, when done properly, the spankings needn't be many. I was spanked a handful of times and I learned very quickly that the behavior that brought it on was not acceptable to my parents.

I am far more traumatized by the things my parents said to me than did to me.

ETA: Hypothetical: How would you all feel if lemon juice/liver/broccoli was used instead? No pain will result, but it would surely be a negative stimuli. At the end of the day, punishment must be unpleasant (duh). If you had told me to stand in a corner as a child I would have gladly done so, all the while chanting "sucka!!!!" in my head about my parents. Is that really punishment?

 

[Rufo]

When someone can explain to me why corporal punishment should be considered as outdated and a human rights violation in judicial systems, but perfectly acceptable in a domestic situation with your own children, I might get a grasp on what sort of morality (if any) they subscribe to.

Until then, I'll stick with the notion that the most vulnerable and defenseless people in society should not be subject to punishments everyone else is legally protected from.

Yes, dealing with children is difficult. Dealing with adults is also difficult. Violence is not a method. It's a condition for failure.

 

[WildCat]

Great photos of parenting received today....
Note the reddish left sleeve on her tee shirt...
And what did it,
And what it looked like,
And Daddy had to get the photos before going to the ER.
Not as bad as hot-saucing a kid's mouth, but about the same indifference and just plain bad parenting...

Ooooohh, barracuda!

 

[MikeSun5]

My parents washed my mouth out with soap on more than one occasion.

I don't consider them abusive, and I don't have some weird mental aversion to soap.

 

[WildCat]

From what I understand it's quite common in Mexican fanilies to discipline a kid by making him eat a slice of jalapeno. Or at least I know some who do that.

 

[mrgrouch]

From what I understand it's quite common in Mexican fanilies to discipline a kid by making him eat a slice of jalapeno. Or at least I know some who do that.

lol

that’s ridiculous… it would be like saying american families discipline their kids by making them eat pickles... and if you in fact know someone that does that, it's definitely not the norm... not at all.

i mean... what a waste of a jalapeño.

cheers

 

[casebro]

Punishment has to be instant to work. Calling the bad dog to you, then spanking him, is only teaching the dog that bad things happen when he obeys.

I think an instant swat will accomplish a lot more, faster, and with less emotional damage, than a delayed squirt of hot sauce.

A leather strap, with the end split, hanging on the wall above the dinner table, not only causes long term welts, but emotional damage. That is NOT an instant swat.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I suspect that sick things like this have little to do with trying to help the kid and are more about a sadistic parent who derives pleasure from seeing their kids in pain.

Hey, my kid bet he could eat the pepper. I didn't want to see him in pain just because I offered him $20 if he could.

And I gave him $10 consolation.


On a more serious note, I don't think it is sadism, it is controlism. Parents want control.

 

[WildCat]

lol

that’s ridiculous… it would be like saying american families discipline their kids by making them eat pickles... and if you in fact know someone that does that, it's definitely not the norm... not at all.

i mean... what a waste of a jalapeño.

cheers

Perhaps it's an anomaly, but every person from Mexico I've ever talked to about this said they did this with their kids, as their parents had to them. Granted, that's only 3 people. It's not like the subject comes up very often. But I think it's pretty common.

btw, this was done in response to saying swear words or mouthing off to a parent, much like some parents wash a kids mouth out with soap.

 

[WildCat]

Hey, my kid bet he could eat the pepper. I didn't want to see him in pain just because I offered him $20 if he could.

And I gave him $10 consolation.


On a more serious note, I don't think it is sadism, it is controlism. Parents want control.

Damn, I ate a habanero in college for only $5... should of asked for more.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Clearly the thread is drifting round the mulberry bush where we've been before, the spankers and the non-spankers. I, my brothers, and my son are all evidence no one needs to hit kids to raise them properly. If you learn other well tested methods there is no need to hit kids so why choose to?

 

[Halfcentaur]

Reminds me of getting soap in my mouth. I guess it depends on the severity of the heat factor.

 

[Varanid]

Parents want control.

Shouldn't parents want X amount of control?
Surely reasonably minds can agree it is a continuum, we just disagree on a value of X.

I would presume that few, if any, are inclined to have no control over their children. Likewise, I am sure few if any want total control over their children's lives.

 

[King of the Americas]

The rush of a good burn...

...when you consume Capsaicin from wiki:

Effects of dietary consumption
Ingestion of spicy food or ground jalapeño peppers does not cause mucosal erosions or other abnormalities.[46] Some mucosal microbleeding has been found after eating red and black peppers, but there was no significant difference between aspirin (used as a control) and peppers.[47] The question of whether chili ingestion increases or decreases risk of stomach cancer is unresolved: a study of Mexican patients found self-reported capsaicin intake levels associated with increased stomach cancer rates (however, this is very likely attributed to helicobacter pylori.[48]) while a study of Italians suggests eating hot peppers regularly was protective against stomach cancer.[49] A preliminary study using county population and mortality data showed significantly higher rates for stomach and liver cancer in counties inhabited by groups with high consumption of capsaicin-rich foods than in matched control counties.[50] Carcinogenic, cocarcinogenic, anticarcinogenic, antitumorigenic, tumor promotion, and anti-tumor promotion effects of capsaicin have been reported in animal studies.[43]

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Pepper spray works in prisons...why not for tots too?

"Drop your sister's teddy bear, or you will be peppered."

'NO!'

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

'WaaaaaaH!'

Now you have the bear back...works every time.

 

[Varanid]

Clearly the thread is drifting round the mulberry bush where we've been before, the spankers and the non-spankers. I, my brothers, and my son are all evidence no one needs to hit kids to raise them properly. If you learn other well tested methods there is no need to hit kids so why choose to?

You have (anecdotal) evidence that you, your brothers, and son did not require "hitting" to be "raised properly".
That doesn't speak to other individuals or value systems.

I would hold the same for the opposite argument- the fact that I was spanked and "raised properly" is not evidence any more than in your example.

 

[mrgrouch]

Perhaps it's an anomaly, but every person from Mexico I've ever talked to about this said they did this with their kids, as their parents had to them. Granted, that's only 3 people. It's not like the subject comes up very often. But I think it's pretty common.

btw, this was done in response to saying swear words or mouthing off to a parent, much like some parents wash a kids mouth out with soap.

i was born and raised in mexico city surrounded by some 20 odd million mexicans and traveled extensively in my country. and I never heard such thing.

there are spanish stories about the aztecs doing something similar though. but that's the kind of information the average mexican try to dissociate with.

and i'm not saying it doesn't happen. but it's not common at all, or at least not in the whole country.

cheers

 

[Polaris]

Damn, I ate a habanero in college for only $5... should of asked for more.

You got $5?! I ate one for free by mistaking it for a cherry pepper.

Shouldn't parents want X amount of control?
Surely reasonably minds can agree it is a continuum, we just disagree on a value of X.

I would presume that few, if any, are inclined to have no control over their children. Likewise, I am sure few if any want total control over their children's lives.

Whether they want it or not, that's the net result with whatever method quite a few parents use based on what I see in public.