Israel tears down 80 year old hotel to make way for Jews ONLY

[Mycroft]

There is no legal or physical barrier between them and us. It is where they choose to live. Many of the Palestinians living in Jerusalem are not citizens, but are only legally entitled to live there. That entitlement can be and has been removed, as part of the demographic war that is now in progress. Australian aboriginals have full citizenship.

Except, and this has been pointed out to you many times in the past, Arab citizens of Jerusalem who have permanent residency status have a standing offer for Israeli citizenship they can accept at any time.

 

[Thunder]

Except, and this has been pointed out to you many times in the past, Arab citizens of Jerusalem who have permanent residency status have a standing offer for Israeli citizenship they can accept at any time.

really? all Palestinians who are Permanent Residents, can receive full citizenship at any time?

source please.

remember, these Palestinians can only vote in local elections. they cannot vote in national Israeli elections.

do you REALLY think Israel wants 280,000 more Arab citizens?

 

[PhantomWolf]

That's their traditional land, it's where they want to live. Their culture attaches a great deal of importance to that. There are aboriginals who live in cities, too. They would be offended if you called it a wasteland.

Aboriginals were confined to the Northern Territories before the arrival of Europeans? I bet they'd be suprised to learn that.

 

[Mycroft]

really? all Palestinians who are Permanent Residents, can receive full citizenship at any time?

source please.

Since the annexation, Palestinians in east Jerusalem have had the option of taking Israeli citizenship, although few have done so in a society where even cooperating with the Jewish state — much less adopting its citizenship — is considered taboo.

East Jerusalem Palestinians have generally lived under permanent resident status, and only a few hundred each year typically have applied for Israeli citizenship. In recent years, however, there has been a steady increase.

remember, these Palestinians can only vote in local elections. they cannot vote in national Israeli elections.

The ones that accept Israeli citizenship can vote in national elections like any other citizen. The others can't because they're not citizens of Israel.

do you REALLY think Israel wants 280,000 more Arab citizens?

Judging by the evidence, yes, but you wouldn't learn that from reading B'tselem.

 

[The Fool]

Aboriginals were confined to the Northern Territories before the arrival of Europeans? I bet they'd be suprised to learn that.

Oh good grief Phantomwolf.....nobody said that or anything that remotely resembles that.

 

[Thunder]

Judging by the evidence, yes, but you wouldn't learn that from reading B'tselem.

I think Israel would have a heart attack if tomorrow, all 280,000 Palestinians in EJ demanded citizenship.

 

[The Fool]

really? all Palestinians who are Permanent Residents, can receive full citizenship at any time?

source please.

remember, these Palestinians can only vote in local elections. they cannot vote in national Israeli elections.

do you REALLY think Israel wants 280,000 more Arab citizens?

well its not as mycroft describes (surprise) they do not have a standing offer they can accept at any time. They may apply for citizenship at any time and i think around 2/3 or 3/4 of applicants are accepted (or something around that figure)

 

[Thunder]

well its not as mycroft describes (surprise) they do not have a standing offer they can accept at any time. They may apply for citizenship at any time and i think around 2/3 or 3/4 of applicants are accepted (or something around that figure)

considering that Israel strips thousands of EJ Palestinians of their Permanent Residency status ever year, Israel clearly ain't interested in having 280,000 more Arab citizens.

 

[mortimer]

well its not as mycroft describes (surprise) they do not have a standing offer they can accept at any time. They may apply for citizenship at any time and i think around 2/3 or 3/4 of applicants are accepted (or something around that figure)

So do you have any evidence of this claim, or are you just guessing?

 

[mortimer]

considering that Israel strips thousands of EJ Palestinians of their Permanent Residency status ever year, Israel clearly ain't interested in having 280,000 more Arab citizens.

You do realize that Permanent Residency status tends to get stripped if you don't actually live in the country that provides that status, right? That's not unique to Israel.

 

[Thunder]

You do realize that Permanent Residency status tends to get stripped if you don't actually live in the country that provides that status, right? That's not unique to Israel.

Israel, or any other nation for that matter, has NO BUSINESS stripping native populations of their right to live in their lands that are under occupation.

Israel, if it had any integrity, would give extra leaway to Palestinian residents of EJ. They should not have their Permanent Residency status stripped away due to arbitrary new laws that have been not made public.

 

[mortimer]

Israel, or any other nation for that matter, has NO BUSINESS stripping native populations of their right to live in their lands that are under occupation.

OK fine. What if those native populations are not living in the lands that they claim is their home?

Israel, if it had any integrity, would give extra leaway to Palestinian residents of EJ. They should not have their Permanent Residency status stripped away due to arbitrary new laws that have been not made public.

Extra leeway? Because you hold Israel to a higher standard than any other country?

 

[Thunder]

Extra leeway? Because you hold Israel to a higher standard than any other country?

no, cause its the right thing to do.

conquering land in a defensive war, and then kicking out residents, is disgusting.

 

[The Fool]

So do you have any evidence of this claim, or are you just guessing?

its in mycrofts link...try reading that first then I'll talk to you about any confusion you may still be suffering.

(bolding mine)

East Jerusalem Palestinians have generally lived under permanent resident status, and only a few hundred each year typically have applied for Israeli citizenship. In recent years, however, there has been a steady increase.

Over the past five years, about 3,000 Palestinians applied for Israeli citizenship, and about 2,300 received it, according to the Israeli Interior Ministry.

 

[Mycroft]

Extra leeway? Because you hold Israel to a higher standard than any other country?

Extra leeway, like offering citizenship and holding permanent residency open for seven years. Indefinitely, if you're willing to come back every so often.

 

[Mycroft]

Over the past five years, about 3,000 Palestinians applied for Israeli citizenship, and about 2,300 received it, according to the Israeli Interior Ministry.

What the article doesn't say is how many of the people who were denied were people who had permanent residency status, for all you know none of them did. It very clearly says Palestinians in east Jerusalem have had the option of taking Israeli citizenship.

 

[Mycroft]

Interestingly, here is a previous thread where Thunder/Parky discussed the offer of citizenship, so one wonders how he can claim ignorance of it now.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6472731#post6472731

 

[a_unique_person]

Aboriginals were confined to the Northern Territories before the arrival of Europeans? I bet they'd be suprised to learn that.

 

[a_unique_person]

The gist I'm getting from this back-and-forth is that the discrimination that Israel practices is *slightly* different than the discrimination that Australia, the US, and Ireland practice. So Australia, the US, and Ireland are A-OK, but Israel is still evil to the core.

If you were talking about Australia 50 years ago, you might be right. Australia has changed a lot of it's policies towards it's aboriginals since then, such as giving them the vote. Australia realised back then, it was going to attain pariah status if it didn't change it's policies very quickly. The discrimination in Australia is vastly different, since the legal status of Aboriginals is now 100% equal.

If you want to do some more research, you might find areas where Australia does deserve criticism, but I'll leave that up to you.

 

[PhantomWolf]

You claimed that these lands were their traditional home and they wanted to be there. Pre-European invasion most Aboriginals lived in the south-east of Australia around the Murry River. Even today, those that live in the NT are the lowest number of all states and they live there in poverty.