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Crop circle debunking help needed

chuck4842 said:
I do miss the point. ( yet another example of two earthlings failing to communicate). As far as Occam's Razor I quote wiki "In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic, and certainly not a scientific result.[9][10][11][12]
But then I could look at the dull side of the Razor and assume my species , that I witnessed stepping on the moon, and sending robots in its own solar system and beyond (voyager) , is the smartest species in the universe.
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Only with astonishingly limited visions of the universe.
 
chuck4842 said:
Well aint there some kind of rule about sticking to the subject? I was apologizing about my possibilities of cropcircles stance I've been presenting, because I read his Bravo Sierra statement and thought he was trying to give me a hint. Wait, what are we debunking again? We can't debunk crop circles, just who made'em.
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chuck4842 said:
I do miss the point. ( yet another example of two earthlings failing to communicate). As far as Occam's Razor I quote wiki "In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic, and certainly not a scientific result.[9][10][11][12]
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If nothing else, lern 2 kwote.


chuck4842 said:
But then I could look at the dull side of the Razor and assume my species , that I witnessed stepping on the moon, and sending robots in its own solar system and beyond (voyager) , is the smartest species in the universe.
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I've seen extremely recent evidence that this is probably not the case.
 
What we have here, is a failure of an intelligent earthling explaining to an ignorant earthling, why there can't be a more intelligent being than the intelligent earthling without the intelligent earthling understanding what the more intelligent being was saying.
 
chuck4842 said:
1) I agree, amongst themselves, it is of course their form of communication.


2) I agree again with the same response, of amongst themselves. I don't consider crop circles their "normal communication medium" , but they may have experience in the lets drop out of no where and say hi consequences.
I already replied to the evolution of the circles from simple to today, as being some way of studying our reaction. Some of my reasoning may seem a bit of a dodge, but what we're debating here is an unknown society of higher intelligence possibility. If they're more advanced than us we may not yet understand any of their methods. I'd like to add I knew Elvis was still alive and but I had no idea he was abducted.
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I will assume you are joking.

Hans
 
23_Tauri said:
Apart from these guys.
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They're only half biscuit. It's not all that biscuit-like. And when I saw them live, they looked far more man than biscuit.

chuck4842 said:
Sorry 'bout that. I just realized I may be breaking a rule since the subject is debunking, but then again, I got partly into this with a defender of the Neanderthals.
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I remember Defender Of The Neanderthals. Saturday mornings in 1983, right?

chuck4842 said:
I was apologizing about my possibilities of cropcircles stance I've been presenting, because I read his Bravo Sierra statement and thought he was trying to give me a hint.
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'snot BS. Elvis and JFK died in a care home protecting the other residents from a reincarnated Egyptian mummy. Look it up.
 
chuck4842 said:
...But then I could look at the dull side of the Razor and assume my species , that I witnessed stepping on the moon, and sending robots in its own solar system and beyond (voyager) , is the smartest species in the universe.
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Obviously we're not as smart as aliens, we created no circles on the moon or mars to communicate with the resident organisms of those rocks.

Stupid humans.
Travel across the void and then don't even leave a circle greeting.
 
EHocking said:
Obviously we're not as smart as aliens, we created no circles on the moon or mars to communicate with the resident organisms of those rocks.

Stupid humans.
Travel across the void and then don't even leave a circle greeting.
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Uh, now that you mention it, though... who left all those dust circles on the moon for us to see? :eye-poppi
 
2) I agree again with the same response, of amongst themselves. I don't consider crop circles their "normal communication medium" , but they may have experience in the lets drop out of no where and say hi consequences.
I already replied to the evolution of the circles from simple to today, as being some way of studying our reaction. Some of my reasoning may seem a bit of a dodge, but what we're debating here is an unknown society of higher intelligence possibility. If they're more advanced than us we may not yet understand any of their methods. I'd like to add I knew Elvis was still alive and but I had no idea he was abducted.
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I consider this a perfectly valid point, actually. If crop circles are made by aliens (though of course I see no reason to believe they are), we're dealing with one or more species that probably evolved in a hugely different setting from us. I find it incredibly illogical to say things like "if they came here they would be intent on killing us", or "if they're so advanced they'd never resort to crop circles to communicate", thus judging everything they do or would do on how expect humans to do things.

Look at how differently species on Earth communicate. Case in point, canines greet each others by smelling each others' rears, and mark territory by urinating on rocks.
 
EHocking said:
Obviously we're not as smart as aliens, we created no circles on the moon or mars to communicate with the resident organisms of those rocks.

Stupid humans.
Travel across the void and then don't even leave a circle greeting.
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More to the point, when the aliens make theirs on our planet, why don't they just leave the flag they use as the center pivot like Aldrin did?

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Safe-Keeper said:
I consider this a perfectly valid point, actually. If crop circles are made by aliens (though of course I see no reason to believe they are), we're dealing with one or more species that probably evolved in a hugely different setting from us. I find it incredibly illogical to say things like "if they came here they would be intent on killing us", or "if they're so advanced they'd never resort to crop circles to communicate", thus judging everything they do or would do on how expect humans to do things.

Look at how differently species on Earth communicate. Case in point, canines greet each others by smelling each others' rears, and mark territory by urinating on rocks.
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Well, no. Even being open minded at different ways of doing things, you can still have some basic expectations.

Like that such a species still must have a way of communicating fast enough. Whether it's by sounds, linking antennae and using smells, flashes of light, EM radiation, or really whatever. You expect them to be able to at least say "ok, I wanna make a big rocket. I can haz cash grant?" in real time, without having to drag everyone to some place with tall grass to trample in some Hello Kitty shape.

Really, there's a fine line between not expecting them to be exactly like humans, and pretending that any magical BS is as likely.

The comparison with dogs is also basically invalid.

For a start we're talking about a pretty dumb species. In neurons per input, humans are at 20, dogs are at 4. (Cats are at 5.) Virtually any quick rule of thumb we thought of, be it brain mass per body mass, brain surface per body mass, etc, dogs rate as pretty damned dumb. And you don't even have to go that far to notice that dogs never built rockets.

And it's not as much of a greeting as just a species that's got a good sense of smell, just sniffing each other's smell.

Sniffing butts isn't a particularly good form of communication, and even dogs don't use it for any kind of real communication. You couldn't have a civilization that teaches each other maths and astrophysics to build a rocket, by sniffing each other's one single scent gland.

From a species that's managed to build a technology far in advanced of ours, build a spaceship, and get all the way here, it's actually very justified to expect a more advanced form of communication than sniffing and going "oh, it's Hans".
 
Wolrab said:
Stray Cat said:
More to the point, when the aliens make theirs on our planet, why don't they just leave the flag they use as the center pivot like Aldrin did?
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Why didn't they just leave the flag Aldrin used?
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That would create an interesting dynamic between the Moon Landing Conspiracy Theorists and the Crop Circles Are Made By Aliens Mob.

Woo Wars!
 
"Well, no. Even being open minded at different ways of doing things, you can still have some basic expectations.

Like that such a species still must have a way of communicating fast enough." -Hans Mustermann,

I still cant cherry pick quote , which is probably slowing my com speed.

Fast enough for what? Communicating with each other? Or us ? Maybe they didn't feel you were worth the bandwidth. I aint saying I heard anything either, just maybe our download is slower than their upload.
 
Akhenaten said:
That would create an interesting dynamic between the Moon Landing Conspiracy Theorists and the Crop Circles Are Made By Aliens Mob.

Woo Wars!
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As interesting a dynamic as the woo war between the Fake Moon Landers and the Apollo 20 Secret Mission that Discovered an Alien Space Ship on the Far Side of the Moon brigade! :D

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0507/apollo20.html

How they square those to CT's I'll never know. :boggled:
 
chuck4842 said:
"Well, no. Even being open minded at different ways of doing things, you can still have some basic expectations.

Like that such a species still must have a way of communicating fast enough." -Hans Mustermann,
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If you have a careful look down in the bottom right-hand corner of every post, you'll see a number of buttons. One of them looks like this:

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Would you care to hazard a guess as to the function of this button?


chuck4842 said:
I still cant cherry pick quote , which is probably slowing my com speed.
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Given that you appear to not even understand the term 'cherry picking' as it relates to quoting someone, I'd suggest that your com speed, and several other com attributes, are being affected by . . . other factors.


chuck4842 said:
Fast enough for what? Communicating with each other? Or us ? Maybe they didn't feel you were worth the bandwidth.
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Perhaps you should try something a bit less ambitious than cherry pick quoting people. Allow me to suggest that simply reading what they post might be a suitable starting point.



chuck4842 said:
I aint saying I heard anything either, just maybe our download is slower than their upload.
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Please provide your definition of 'our'. I have a feeling it's a smaller group than you think.
 
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