The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Thanks A W. My bad anyway, I forgot to mention that 'Kerosene' refers to Jet Fuel in a generic way.
 
NutCracker said:
Isn't truther psychology interesting? But then I wonder.. why doesn't he simply leave? Well maybe it's just stubborn pride..
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It’s a conceit. Imagine for a moment life is not working out as you planned. You’re stuck living at home when you’re 24. You maybe went to community college (I am not denigrating community college in any way here) but didn’t get into another school and studies didn’t really work out. You work in a job that requires you to wear a short-sleeve dress shirt and tie, which may be a clip on. You stumble on this crap. Now, you have an area where you are superior to everyone else out there. All those people whose lives are working out now are just drones. You know the truth though and you’re persecuted for it. Everyone whose life is going more or less better now is part of the sheeple and you get to feel sorry for them. You see how this could appeal to some people now.
 
alienentity said:
Thanks A W. My bad anyway, I forgot to mention that 'Kerosene' refers to Jet Fuel in a generic way.
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There are slight differences, but they all boil down to jet fuel having some different additives and more sulfur. Jet fuel is kerosene; it's simply a specific formulation of kerosene plus some other stuff.

So someone smelling "kerosene" in the Twin Towers isn't smelling someone's portable heater. They're not analyzing it on the fly so they could say "Oh, no C5H12O3, this ain't JP4, it's definitely K-1". They're applying the best description they can to what they smelled, and saying "kerosene" for their on-the-fly guesses is a perfect description for "jet fuel" when we add in what we know about the jets collisions into the buildings.
 
dafydd said:
I'm starting to suspect that Tempesta is trolling. He can't be that stupid.
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I used to think that but then we had Jammo......if he was a troll he was a uniquely persistent one.
I think we have to face up to the the fact that there are some people that are irretrievably dumb yet still capable of operating a computer. I work in the computer industry and sometimes I wish we had spent less time making them easy to use :)
 
tempesta29 said:
It was absolutely analogous to this discussion. It was claimed that if one floor at the base of WTC 7 buckled, then the whole building would collapse. That simply isn't true. That may be true for buildings made of plaster or something but it isn't true for real constructions.
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We've been discussing the 8-storey buckle for a long time now. Stage 2 in the NIST graph and all that?
 
tempesta29 said:
I'd say this thread is officially dead judging by all the trolling.

Nano thermite and super thermite are synonyms. Once again, here is an article on the subject:

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/


The site is published by MIT. I linked to it already. Now it's suddenly a joke? Ok, you people can have this thread now. I'm done.
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No its not a joke, but neither is it saying what you think it is saying. :rolleyes:
 
tempesta29 said:
Hey dog guy who thought his "100% impossible" motto would catch on: I don't pay attention to you.
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Of course you don't. That would require honesty.

Just thought I'd save you the trouble of your continued mumbling.
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100%, baby. Read it and weep.

So will you be spending wasting the next several decades of your life drooling on your keyboard, begging someone to pay attention to your lies? Yes? Really?

Good.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Of course you don't. That would require honesty.

100%, baby. Read it and weep.

So will you be spending wasting the next several decades of your life drooling on your keyboard, begging someone to pay attention to your lies? Yes? Really?

Good.
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Only an infantile intellect would conclude " " 100 % baby "..
How about some honesty from YOU .
ADDRESS THIS POST !
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6746777#post6746777
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The hijackers "left no paper trail," FBI Director Robert Mueller said in the text of a speech that the FBI released Monday. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper--either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere--that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."[/excerpt]
 
Fonebone said:
Only an infantile intellect would conclude " " 100 % baby "..
How about some honesty from YOU .
ADDRESS THIS POST !
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6746777#post6746777
[excerpt]
The hijackers "left no paper trail," FBI Director Robert Mueller said in the text of a speech that the FBI released Monday. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper--either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere--that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."[/excerpt]
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From the Moussaoui trial
Manual found in the UK
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/AQ01677.html

Moneygram
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/BR00003.pdf

Passport used to receive Moneygram
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/BR00006.pdf

emails
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/FO05521-10.html

etc...

'The Congressional Joint Inquiry had discovered a paper trail that traced these funds back to sources within Saudi government agencies and the Saudi royal family itself (which has now-famous ties to both Presidents Bush). But the 9/11 Commission found the same evidence inconclusive, and relegated the episode to one of their report’s 1,742 footnotes.'

I suppose if one choses to take the one FBI statement as a blanket that there was no evidence, electronic or paper form, then one would be making a great mistake.
Did the hijackers ever incriminate themselves by writing down on paper 'we're going to attack the twin towers etc? Probably not.

That doesn't mean there isn't an extensive amount of evidence which links them to the crime though. But personal notes confessing their plot? Hardly.

A good investigator doesn't need anything that crude to develop a solid case.
 
Fonebone said:
ADDRESS THIS POST !
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6746777#post6746777
[excerpt]
The hijackers "left no paper trail," FBI Director Robert Mueller said in the text of a speech that the FBI released Monday. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper--either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere--that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."[/excerpt]
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So that just leaves the martyrdom videos, the video messages from Osama bin Laden, KSM's admissions to al-Jazeera, the tracking of funds used by the hijackers back to al-Qaeda sources, the known affiliation of the hijackers with al-Qaeda, Zacarias Moussaoui's testimony - did I miss anything?

Really, this is classic truther evasion. You pick on one piece of evidence that you know doesn't exist, claim that only that piece of evidence will convince you, then refuse to acknowledge all the evidence that actually does exist. It's nothing to do with finding out the truth, and everything to do with creating flimsy excuses for denying it.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
So that just leaves the martyrdom videos, the video messages from Osama bin Laden, KSM's admissions to al-Jazeera, the tracking of funds used by the hijackers back to al-Qaeda sources, the known affiliation of the hijackers with al-Qaeda, Zacarias Moussaoui's testimony - did I miss anything?

Really, this is classic truther evasion. You pick on one piece of evidence that you know doesn't exist, claim that only that piece of evidence will convince you, then refuse to acknowledge all the evidence that actually does exist. It's nothing to do with finding out the truth, and everything to do with creating flimsy excuses for denying it.

Dave
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Not to mention that he took one quote from a story written just months after the event (Apr. 30, 2002) and presented it as if nothing else had been discovered since then. That's the exact same mentality that building CT's have when they attempt to argue against the NIST report by quoting something from the FEMA BPS. :boggled:

I'm going to see if that works elsewhere. I'll see if I can write a thesis disproving Kepler via quoting Ptolemy. Think that'll get me a doctorate? ;)
 
Dave Rogers said:
So that just leaves the martyrdom videos, the video messages from Osama bin Laden, KSM's admissions to al-Jazeera, the tracking of funds used by the hijackers back to al-Qaeda sources, the known affiliation of the hijackers with al-Qaeda, Zacarias Moussaoui's testimony - did I miss anything?

Really, this is classic truther evasion. You pick on one piece of evidence that you know doesn't exist, claim that only that piece of evidence will convince you, then refuse to acknowledge all the evidence that actually does exist. It's nothing to do with finding out the truth, and everything to do with creating flimsy excuses for denying it.

Dave
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Wasn't Atta's suitcase recovered after it was found to have not been placed on AA11, and it contained several documents identifying the other hijackers and such?

EDIT: Yes, it was...from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11

Wiki said:
Within hours of the attacks, the FBI was able to determine the names and in many cases the personal details of the suspected pilots and hijackers. Mohamed Atta, from Egypt, was the ringleader of the 19 hijackers and one of the pilots. Atta died in the attack along with the other hijackers, but his luggage, which did not make the connection from his Portland flight onto Flight 11, contained papers that revealed the identities of all 19 hijackers and other important clues about their plans, motives, and backgrounds. By midday, the National Security Agency had intercepted communications that pointed to Osama bin Laden, as did German intelligence agencies.
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JimBenArm said:
Can we play "Doctor" if you do?
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:boggled: Oh, great, here come the endless photos again...

;):D:p

Sabretooth said:
Wasn't Atta's suitcase recovered after it was found to have not been placed on AA11, and it contained several documents identifying the other hijackers and such?
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Yep. We talked about that here back in 2007. A handwritten letter of Atta's is part of the Moussaoui trial exhibits, and a translation of it was published in The Guardian. That piece of luggage was even highlighted by truthers as being too convenient/too good to be true.
 
Fonebone said:
Only an infantile intellect would conclude " " 100 % baby "..
How about some honesty from YOU .
ADDRESS THIS POST !
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I'm sorry that your bias has made you so angry as well as unable to conceptualize on an advanced plane.

Now, as you can see by the numerous posts following yours, your foot-stamping demand has been demolished. Perhaps you'd like to be a gentleman, go back to post #1 (which good manners would suggest you might've given your attention to before anything else) and tell me what's wrong with it? Specifically, not based on your feelings, instincts, or general incredulity.* And without the insulting tone, hmm?

Or is it because you cannot?


*For example: You don't look at a jumbo jet and say, "It weighs a huge amount. Tons! There's no way it could float through the air!" You articulate and demonstrate your position, or, through studying the matter and paying attention to those more learned than you, understand that it is invalid.
 
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