The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys? Make sure you count how many continuous elevator shafts there are before you answer. But anyway, I guess it was a lot huh? And this is what happened? An elevator turned into a kerosene fuel air bomb, exploded deep in the basement and shook people in the lobby clear off their feet?
 
tempesta29 said:
And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys?
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You seem to switch from therm?te (explaining molten steel) to explosives (explaining basement explosions and WTC7) whenever required to explain the point currently under discussion.

Do you have a Grand Unified Theory to explain how and why both were used on 9/11?
 
GlennB said:
You seem to switch from therm?te (explaining molten steel) to explosives (explaining basement explosions and WTC7) whenever required to explain the point currently under discussion.
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What a non sequitur. Kudos.

When was the last time I even wrote the word thermite? What are you responding to with the above post? Where did I switch between those two topic you've mentioned? Certainly not in the post you quoted.

Try and be a more honest poster. It'll make for a better and brighter tomorrow.

Do you have a Grand Unified Theory to explain how and why both were used on 9/11?
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How and why? I'm not an explosives expert, so I can't detail to the techniques, but your acting as if this is some sort of voodoo magic is just silly. The military can obviously do it. I don't believe the Al-Qaeda Talibaner types can do it, but the US military can definitely do it.

Oh, here we go:
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/
Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos.

"The advantage (of using nanometals) is in how fast you can get their energy out," Son says.

Son says that the chemical reactions of superthermites are faster and therefore release greater amounts of energy more rapidly.

"Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times," Son says, resulting in a very rapid reactive wave.
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So your question is why? Well it is very succinctly answered above, however I'll reiterate for you: super thermite is incredibly useful in tandem with explosives. That's why .
 
tempesta29 said:
Kerosene is not a high explosive. It is, however, highly incendiary.
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You really should meet jammonius, who delights in pointing out that, according to the formal definition of the term, kerosene is not even flammable. There are no two points of view so contradictory that the truth movement can't embrace both of them.

Dave
 
tempesta29 said:
When was the last time I even wrote the word thermite? What are you responding to with the above post? Where did I switch between those two topic you've mentioned? Certainly not in the post you quoted.
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You're currently attributing the basement 'events' to planted explosives. You have previously attributed molten steel to therm?te.

tempesta29 said:
Thermite was found in Neils Harrit's study.
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tempesta29 said:
Molten steel is evidence of thermite, or some other high-energy incendiary.
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So, it's far from being a non sequitur.
 
Where is the context, the quotes and the sources, Mr. Tempesta?

How will I know if people were just referring to the effects of aircraft impact on the structure?
 
tempesta29 said:
And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys? Make sure you count how many continuous elevator shafts there are before you answer. But anyway, I guess it was a lot huh? And this is what happened? An elevator turned into a kerosene fuel air bomb, exploded deep in the basement and shook people in the lobby clear off their feet?
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Can you explain the relevance of an explosion in the basement to a collapse that occured much later and seventy stories above?
 
tempesta29 said:
So your question is why? Well it is very succinctly answered above, however I'll reiterate for you: super thermite is incredibly useful in tandem with explosives. That's why .
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And they apparently weren't used in the basement of the WTC.

I'm amazed that you think it must have taken a superweapon to knock people off their feet. A strong wind can knock people off their feet. I can knock a person off his feet.

In fact, I've seen my 40-lb dog do it on numerous occassions.

An explosion sufficient to sever columns down at the basement level would have to be HUGE. There would be no surviving witnesses to talk of people being knocked off their feet. There would be no burn victims. There would be no bodies. Everything down there would be pulverized.

Anyway, the building obviously didn't collapse from the bottom up. In fact, the basement was the LAST part of the building to be affected.
 
tempesta29 said:
super thermite is incredibly useful in tandem with explosives. That's why .
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ok, so lets see here:

we have thermite.

we have nano-thermite.

we have thermate.

and now we have "super" thermite.

any other forms of thermite or thermate I should be aware of?
 
alienentity said:
'For miltary use, so-called hyperbaric or thermobaric fuel-air bombs have been produced that work by initially creating a mist of jet-fuel (kerosene) or diesel, then igniting the mist. The resulting explosion not only destroys structures, but depletes the atmospheric oxygen in the immediate vicinity as this type of bomb does not use an explosive that contains its own oxidising agent. Hyperbaric bombs are designed to produce maximal overpressure, and hence structural damage; whereas thermobaric bombs are designed to produce a very high temperature in the zone of explosion/combustion.'

Link withheld due to lack of truther reciprocity. ;)
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This is actually really interesting, even I didn't know it was that powerful. I thought it could only be caused by backdraft.

Truthers are even more wrong that I initially thought, for some reason I'm always surprised.
 
tempesta29 said:
And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys? Make sure you count how many continuous elevator shafts there are before you answer. But anyway, I guess it was a lot huh? And this is what happened? An elevator turned into a kerosene fuel air bomb, exploded deep in the basement and shook people in the lobby clear off their feet?
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Why wouldn't it shake them off their feet? (which you're exaggerating anyway)

They smelled jet fuel at the 6th sub basement so we know it got down there. We also know that the fire balls only burnt peoples skin off.

So how strong is jet fuel mist when it exploads?

fuel-air bombs have been produced that work by initially creating a mist of jet-fuel (kerosene) or diesel, then igniting the mist. The resulting explosion not only destroys structures
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If you're claiming a high explosive was used, what evidence do you have?

If you had examples of people that suffered blast injuries then you would have a better argument, but you don't, you have nothing. All the evidence points to a jet fuel explosion. All you've ever done is scoff at the notion that jet fuel mist ignited can create a powerful explosion. You are wrong, so what else do you have? Imagine you were presenting evidence in a court of law, what would you say? Would you just keep denying that fuel-air explosions are possible?
 
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tempesta29 said:
This is just hilarious stuff. The amazing "flaming kerosene elevator bomb" strikes again. And look, irrelevant youtube clips to prove it.
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This from an individual that posts a video of the failed demolition of a concrete building as "proof" that fire and damage induced collapses of entirely different, steel framed buildings should have been arrested.

You:Fuel cannot say "boom." Boom is therefore a bomby-bomby bomb!
We: No fuel can explode when mixed with air, that's the idea of FEA's.
Me: Posts a video that demonstrates the above.
You: Observing fact that contradicts your claim, cry "ïrrelvant, you debunkers are always the same!" Kerosine bomb is amazing! Impoooosssible! Is is is is!"


Do you really believe any sane individual is fooled by your tap dancing that stands out like a 747 in a parking lot?
 
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tempesta29 said:
And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys? Make sure you count how many continuous elevator shafts there are before you answer. But anyway, I guess it was a lot huh? And this is what happened? An elevator turned into a kerosene fuel air bomb, exploded deep in the basement and shook people in the lobby clear off their feet?
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Citation Needed!!
 
tempesta29 said:
This is just hilarious stuff. The amazing "flaming kerosene elevator bomb" strikes again. And look, irrelevant youtube clips to prove it.
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Relevant to those who actually know something about the matter,not to you of course.
 
Thunder said:
ok, so lets see here:

we have thermite.

we have nano-thermite.

we have thermate.

and now we have "super" thermite.

any other forms of thermite or thermate I should be aware of?
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Yes, but if we told you, we'd have to kill you. You are too useful as a paid government shill. We don't want to train a monkey to do your job. now get back to work.
 
tempesta29 said:
And how many of these "elevator fuel air bombs" went off according to you guys? Make sure you count how many continuous elevator shafts there are before you answer. But anyway, I guess it was a lot huh? And this is what happened? An elevator turned into a kerosene fuel air bomb, exploded deep in the basement and shook people in the lobby clear off their feet?
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Read:
http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethetowers:summaryofwitnessaccounts

First page is a summary enumerating what eyewitnesses reported.

Second, third, and fourth pages are the actual eyewitness quotes.

Stop guessing. Learn.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Read:
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Stop guessing. Learn.
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I've a strong feeling tempesta has recently discovered some treasure-trove of 9/11 woo that he's working through, bit by bit. He spews it here undigested and when faced with a deluge of correction just claims 'straw man' or 'embarrassing for you' - or totally ignores it - and moves on to the next item. The amount of substantial correction on strictly technical matters he has failed to address is getting up to record proportions.

'Concrete core' was a stunner.

I think he's a bit over-excited.
 
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