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[Thunder]

Thunder, you live in New York, and yet you think Amish live 'out in the middle of nowhere'?

the only Amish or Mennonites that I know of who live in New York State, live allll the way in very rural western New York.

yes.....nowhere.

 

[Thunder]

But Israel is not the US, just as France is not the US, and Switzerland is not the US.

so you think racial/ethnic/religious discrimination in housing should be legal in Israel?

is Israel some sort of super-special western style democracy?

Like you, I can accept (begrudgingly) the idea of very insular and orthodox religious groups setting up isolationist communities in rural areas.

but in a major metropolitan area? no, as a democracy we can not allow such a thing.

the idea of the Amish, or Hasidim, or Orthodox Muslims, or Buddhists buying large apartment blocks in a city and wanting to turn them into isolationist "pure" communities, makes my stomach turn. it violates what America supposed to be all about.

it violates the principles of an inclusive western-democracy.

 

[WildCat]

and without them, places like Chicago, New York, Boston, Philadelphia would look very different than they do today.

I don't think so, at least here. The Chicago neighborhoods that were segregated then are still pretty much segregated now. Lawndale is still all-black, Mt. Greenwood is still all-white.

The demographic shifts you do see are primarily because of economics, not because of housing laws.

I believe that forcing people to be together

The Fair Housing Act does not "force people to live together". It merely outlaws discrimination by the seller or lessor.

 

[Thunder]

The Fair Housing Act does not "force people to live together". It merely outlaws discrimination by the seller or lessor.

no, but the Fair Housing Act, and the various legislation passed in 1963 and 1968 forces people to work, shop, and learn together.

(not live together).

 

[WildCat]

so you think racial/ethnic/religious discrimination in housing should be legal in Israel?

is Israel some sort of super-special western style democracy?

Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO. It's not like they have a death penalty for selling property to a non-Jew, in that case I'd be outraged. Like I am about the PA law carrying the death penalty for selling property to a Jew, but oddly you couldn't care less about that.

Unlike you, I hold all people to the same standards. I don't think some are more worthy of human rights than others.

but in a major metropolitan area? no, as a democracy we can not allow such a thing.

Again, why does that make a difference?

 

[Thunder]

Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO.

ok, so you accept the right of Israelis to discriminate in housing against religious, racial, and ethnic groups. that's just wonderful.

now, how would you feel about a wealthy German building a massive complex of apartments in Berlin, and declaring that no Jews, Turks, or homosexuals shall be allowed?

you ok with that?

Unlike you, I hold all people to the same standards. I don't think some are more worthy of human rights than others.

I love how you just HAD to throw this in there. Couldn't resist a little swipe at me, could ya?

 

[WildCat]

no, but the Fair Housing Act, and the various legislation passed in 1963 and 1968 forces people to work, shop, and learn together.

(not live together).

I'd agree that the Civil Rights Act had a profound effect. The parts of the FHA relating to mortgage and lending have been worthwhile and successful, but if ending segregation was the goal it was not effective. People have to do that on their own.

 

[tyr_13]

the only Amish or Mennonites that I know of who live in New York State, live allll the way in very rural western New York.

yes.....nowhere.

I live all way over in western New York.

 

[Thunder]

I live all way over in western New York.

ahh.....wie gehts?

 

[WildCat]

ok, so you accept the right of Israelis to discriminate in housing against religious, racial, and ethnic groups. that's just wonderful.

So long as we are clear that accepting that doesn't mean I support it.

now, how would you feel about a wealthy German building a massive complex of apartments in Berlin, and declaring that no Jews, Turks, or homosexuals shall be allowed?

you ok with that?

I'm not OK with it, but I wouldn't start a thread here about it either. That would be an issue for Germans.

 

[Thunder]

I'm not OK with it, but I wouldn't start a thread here about it either. That would be an issue for Germans.

Originally Posted by WildCat
Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO.

and yet, you are unconcerned by ethnic, racial, and religious discrimination in Israel....huh Wildcat?

Originally Posted by WildCat
Unlike you, I hold all people to the same standards. I don't think some are more worthy of human rights than others.

...fascinating. Please explain to us how housing discrimination in Israel is OK, but housing discrimination in Germany is not OK?

I thought you hold all people to the same standards?

Your views on this topic are wildly inconsistent, or shall I just call it a "higher/double standard"?

 

[Thunder]

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[Sword_Of_Truth]

its not racism to insist on having a community where everyone is white?

what do you call it...white pride?

I suggest that the kind of people who would consider that a primary criteria for choosing a community to live in should live in such a community.

 

[Thunder]

SOT- do you have a problem with a wealthy American buying a large property in a major metropolitan area, building hundreds if not thousands of apartment units, and declaring that the dwellings shall be for white Christians only?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

People who actually want to live in a community that has only white christians in it are best kept from polluting other neighborhoods.

 

[Thunder]

People who actually want to live in a community that has only white christians in it are best kept from polluting other neighborhoods.

and what about a wealthy American building large apartment blocks in East Jerusalem, and having it only be for Jews?

is that kosher?

 

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by WildCat
Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO.

and yet, you are unconcerned by ethnic, racial, and religious discrimination in Israel....huh Wildcat?

Originally Posted by WildCat
Unlike you, I hold all people to the same standards. I don't think some are more worthy of human rights than others.

...fascinating. Please explain to us how housing discrimination in Israel is OK, but housing discrimination in Germany is not OK?

I thought you hold all people to the same standards?

Your views on this topic are wildly inconsistent, or shall I just call it a "higher/double standard"?

Try reading what I wrote again, with comprehension this time.

I'm no more or less OK with the Israel example than I am with your hypothetical German example.

 

[Thunder]

Try reading what I wrote again, with comprehension this time.

I'm no more or less OK with the Israel example than I am with your hypothetical German example.

fine, let us analyze your reaction to each situation, shall we?

here is your reaction to discriminatory housing policies in Germany, against Jews:

Originally Posted by WildCat
I'm not OK with it, but I wouldn't start a thread here about it either. That would be an issue for Germans.

and here is your reaction to discriminatory housing policies in Israel, against non-Jews:

Originally Posted by WildCat
Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO.


just a bit more annoyed with anti-Jewish discrimination in Germany, wouldn't you say?

looks like a higher/double standard to me.

 

[WildCat]

fine, let us analyze your reaction to each situation, shall we?

here is your reaction to discriminatory housing policies in Germany, against Jews:

Originally Posted by WildCat
I'm not OK with it, but I wouldn't start a thread here about it either. That would be an issue for Germans.

and here is your reaction to discriminatory housing policies in Israel, against non-Jews:

Originally Posted by WildCat
Who am I to dictate Israeli laws? This simply isn't a big deal IMO.


just a bit more annoyed with anti-Jewish discrimination in Germany, wouldn't you say?

looks like a higher/double standard to me.

No, there is no double standard.

Your issue is with reading comprehension, not my statements.

 

[Thunder]

No, there is no double standard.

then why were you quick to say you are "not ok" with anti-Jewish housing discrimination in Germany, but housing discrimination against non-Jews in Israel simply "isn't a big deal"?

that's a higher/double standard.