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@bobthedonkey, speculation is speculation. You can adapt your speculation to fact as provided, as to make the speculation sensible, but in the end it is jsut speculation. It is a nice past time, shows one own opinion, but not much worth more, from our couch remote far away from any event.
 
Merko said:
While it appears unlikely, it sometimes happens that disturbed people get used by others for their own twisted purposes. It is the duty of the police to make sure this was not the case.
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I was just joking a kip on south park episode.

Never mind, I ll bow in shame at my poor attempt at humour.
 
Whee. Yep. Those were NOT bullseyes.
We have nothing whatsoever to do with this," Palin aide. Rebecca Mansour told the talk radio host Tammy Bruce in an interview. "We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights. It was simply cross-hairs like you'd see on maps," she said, suggesting that it is a "surveyor's symbol.
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Yes, a surveyor's symbol. That is what they were. This is not related to the main topic, but some things you got to comment on.
 
Merko said:
I completely agree with this speculation. However, who has been fueling anti-government sentient lately?
I don't doubt that some random Republican could become the victim of a nutjob incited by such rhetoric, almost as easily as some random Democrat.

Politicians should not use rhetoric to portray their opponents as personally evil, or as traitors, or dangerous extremists, or similar. Politicians should show their opponents respect. Political extremists and madmen alike often have delusions that their crimes secretly have support from the mainstream, and mainstream politicians should do what they can to dissuade such delusions.
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Sure, in the mainstream... But this guy was decidedly involved in the not-so-mainstream. And that's where the danger seems to have come from, at least in this incident.

Neither side should be singled out. The entire fringe of the political spectrum gives rise to people like this.
 
No e-mails here yet from the looonnnny ticky fringe guys I know.
Strangely quiet.. probably secreting some of their many guns in the backyard.
 
Aepervius said:
@bobthedonkey, speculation is speculation. You can adapt your speculation to fact as provided, as to make the speculation sensible, but in the end it is jsut speculation. It is a nice past time, shows one own opinion, but not much worth more, from our couch remote far away from any event.
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Well, in that case, let's all speculate that Homeopathy would have saved the Congresswoman from harm if she'd only had the correct tincture. Or that Jared was really working for the CIA and this was an attack designed to allow further restrictions on individual liberties/1st amendment rights.

Look, speculation based on relevant facts is far different from speculation based on only the speculator's personal biases. That so many can't see the difference is precisely why incidents like these happen - speculation based on bias instead of evidence is the realm of conspiracy theorists, which is precisely what the shooter is, and certainly appears to be the motivating factor behind why he's being referred to as "the shooter" instead of merely "Jared".
 
joobz said:
I agree with you. I thought his Statement was referring to current paper currency. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if he was atheist. His bizarre statements With "BCE" and "ADE" (Which I don't think is an actual thing) make it hard to tell.

The guy was sick. It doesn't matter what his mental illness fixated on. This incident reminds me when people were attempting to blame violent video games for the columbine tragedy.
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Just went back and watched all 3 of his videos here.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but my guess is schizophrenia. A lot of word salad.

BCE btw stands for Before Common Era, which corresponds to BC in the Christian calendar. It's supposed to be a religiously neutral way of referring to the Christian calendar. In this system CE corresponds to AD. There is no ADE, but you can see how somebody would come up with it.
 
I Ratant said:
No e-mails here yet from the looonnnny ticky fringe guys I know.
Strangely quiet.. probably secreting some of their many guns in the backyard.
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A construction crew here tearing our a foreclosed home that had been allowed to freeze with the water on and which was ruined by flooding and freezing, found a huge weapons cache buried in the back yard...
 
lionking said:
Fox News just reported the shooter is an atheist.

Just great.
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What did you expect!? He had no solid foundation of rock. Only a foundation of sand that shifts as the wind (science) blows.

He went to college and took a class that made his already unstable mind totally bonkers.
 
Thunder said:
it would be FASCINATING to find out that this guy just randomly happened to pick a Congressperson that just happened to be on Palin's target list.

my..the coincidences are astounding!!
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I could say the same thing bout 911 since Sept 11th is when we crossed into N. Korea during the Korean war.

If we go by coincidences alone then OJ is a murderer.
 
Merko said:
Politicians should not use rhetoric to portray their opponents as personally evil, or as traitors, or dangerous extremists, or similar. Politicians should show their opponents respect. Political extremists and madmen alike often have delusions that their crimes secretly have support from the mainstream, and mainstream politicians should do what they can to dissuade such delusions.
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Why? Screw American politicians. They are traitors, evil, and dangerous extremists. If they aren't selling out to corporate interests, they are dragging us into pointless wars. Just because the media massages it into popular opinion, or mainstream acceptance, does not mean it is acceptable, both in the moral sense, and in the sense of self interest.
 
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Denver said:
Yet, on the day they posted that map, Palin tweeted:
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And some of her facebook followers took it to heart:

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To Palin's credit, she's been removing those comments.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Well, in that case, let's all speculate that Homeopathy would have saved the Congresswoman from harm if she'd only had the correct tincture. Or that Jared was really working for the CIA and this was an attack designed to allow further restrictions on individual liberties/1st amendment rights.

Look, speculation based on relevant facts is far different from speculation based on only the speculator's personal biases. That so many can't see the difference is precisely why incidents like these happen - speculation based on bias instead of evidence is the realm of conspiracy theorists, which is precisely what the shooter is, and certainly appears to be the motivating factor behind why he's being referred to as "the shooter" instead of merely "Jared".
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I disagree with that. All speculation presented had a probability of being true, yours above infinitesimal near zero. A speculation can be drawn from some fact but still in the end stay a conjecture. If indeed something is completely walled in by fact, it is not speculation anymore. I see speculation as fully acceptable to be discussed in a public forum, as long as one is clear what is fact and what is speculation.

Speculating post just gave the occasion of people to show their opinion, however how many bias it has got (and yes it was somewhat amusing and terribly sad to see those bias evidenced in other thread at play here).

But instead of just *SKIPPING* the speculation, some took it to crusade agaisnt it. And This is where we lost 10 to 15 pages of noise by my own "nose" estimate.

I was quite disgusted at some of the conjecture, or rather how they were presented, but it is different than being angry at people speculating.

Bottom line, if "one" don't want speculation, they probably should reconsider going onto internet forum.
 
USEagle13 said:
What did you expect!? He had no solid foundation of rock. Only a foundation of sand that shifts as the wind (science) blows.

He went to college and took a class that made his already unstable mind totally bonkers.
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That's good satire! Keep it up, it's hilarious!
 
Ducky said:
And some of her facebook followers took it to heart:

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To Palin's credit, she's been removing those comments.
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nvm

ETA: I'd like to see if she stands by her target graphic and her rhetoric. If she really believes they're innocuous, she shouldn't back down from those.
 
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Ducky said:
And some of her facebook followers took it to heart:

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To Palin's credit, she's been removing those comments.
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I'm surprised we haven't heard that kind of thing from Bill O' and friends. Not quite as blunt but something along the lines of "she shouldn't have been killed, I never advocate violence, but... if she just wasn't so liberal..." Like he did with the abortion doctor murder.
 
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