Be a good little atheist...

[Mister Agenda]

Then go to a PETA convention and talk about how much you like the taste of dog. You'll get the same reaction, and deservedly so. You have a right to express your atheistic beliefs. You don't have a right to expect people to like you for it.

That's true. I only have the right to expect them not to discriminate against me for it.

How many atheists here would look for an excuse not to hire someone (or fire them) if they saw them pull up in a car decked out with Christian bumper stickers? Quite a few, I bet.

I can't possibly argue with you about the atheists that exist in your head.

Seriously? LOL. Some of the atheists here are worse than any Christian fundamentalists I've ever run into.

What did they ever do to a religious person that was worse than mocking their beliefs?

Bully for you.

Thanks. I guess real-world examples don't impress you much compared to the awful things the atheists in your head are itching to do.

Belonging to the KKK isn't illegal (nor is the KKK itself, nor is NAMBLA). So already you're advocating discriminating against someone whose beliefs are different than yours. See how easy it is? Nice flip-flop.

I did not advocate discriminating against someone whose beliefs are different from mine. I said I would follow the law. I'm sorry you didn't understand that meant I would not discriminate against them.

 

[truethat]

So eating dog is akin to being in the KKK or NAMBLA?

Nice avoid.


Hey try it again. Lets start talking about how to properly eat a dog and how they do it in Asian countries. Then we can forget all about the implication that you made that being an atheist is like being a pedophile and a racist. GOOD JOB!

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Oh I agree, but it's also not the exclusive domain of religious people. How many members of the old Soviet Politburo were outspoken theists of any type?

Absolutely. Any member of any group can be discriminated against, particularly if they are in a minority (although not necessarily - look at South Africa).

 

[Beth]

Speaking out against delusions make us bad, doesn't it? Bad atheist is bad.

No. Speak out against delusions all you want. Being mean, scornful and condescending to people who believe differently than you do regarding the existence of god is bad.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Yeah, my bad for any confusion there. I misquoted you.

Are you talking about when Malerin changed your wording with an ftfy? Because that's what Slingblade is responding to.

 

[slingblade]

Are you talking about when Malerin changed your wording with an ftfy? Because that's what Slingblade is responding to.

No, no, Gawdzilla did say I lost my job by coming out. I didn't have a job, just a class I didn't pass.

I gotta go to bed. 24 hours awake is a bad thing. Later, all!

 

[Malerin]

Nice avoid.


Hey try it again. Lets start talking about how to properly eat a dog and how they do it in Asian countries. Then we can forget all about the implication that you made that being an atheist is like being a pedophile and a racist. GOOD JOB!

The implication is that atheism is an unpopular belief system. This is true. People who express unpopular beliefs tend to be unpopular. This is also true. Unpopular people tend to be discriminated against. Unfortunate and illegal, but also true.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.

 

[Mister Agenda]

No, no, Gawdzilla did say I lost my job by coming out. I didn't have a job, just a class I didn't pass.

I gotta go to bed. 24 hours awake is a bad thing. Later, all!

Ah, I'm the confused one. Not that unusual. Thanks for clarifying. Pleasant dreams.

 

[Mister Agenda]

The implication is that atheism is an unpopular belief system. This is true. People who express unpopular beliefs tend to be unpopular. This is also true. Unpopular people tend to be discriminated against. Unfortunate and illegal, but also true.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.

Good advice for anyone who wants open intolerance of atheists to continue.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No. Speak out against delusions all you want. Being mean, scornful and condescending to people who believe differently than you do regarding the existence of god is bad.

I've been described as being mean and scornful for posting one single sentence: "What proof do you have for that?" I no longer care if anybody characterizes me in that fashion, it's absurd and an ad hom.

 

[quadraginta]

You think he needs to document Something that has been documented ad nauseum?

Then it should not be too hard to throw up a couple of examples

My current personal favorite, which I've mentioned a few times before around these fora, is the 2008 U.S. Senate race between Elisabeth Dole and Kay Hagan.

Lizzie Dole; Incumbent U.S. Senator. Impeccable conservative credentials. Served in four different Republican administrations. Reagan's Secretary of Transportation, Bush the Elder's Sec. of Labor (the only woman to hold two Cabinet level positions). Wife of Bob Dole. President of the Red Cross for nearly a decade.

Kay Hagan; Ten years as a state senator in the North Carolina General Assembly.

At the contest's eleventh hour, only a week or so before election day the Dole campaign brought out the big guns. They ran an ad which accused Hagan of "secretly" consorting with known atheists, and even (Gasp!!! ) accepting campaign contributions from them.

This piece of defamation was Dole's downfall. Even in an atmosphere both local and national of attack ads which were setting new records for sleaze the god-fearing voters of N.C. could not forgive such a vile calumny, not even if it was one of their very own doing it.

Accusing someone of this sort of moral failure was simply too despicable. Public opinion swung toward Hagan instantly, and stayed there. Lizzie Dole lost the election for using campaign tactics that were too reprehensible for people to stomach. This in a state that kept Jesse Helms in office for thirty years.

 

[Resume]

The implication is that atheism is an unpopular belief system. This is true. People who express unpopular beliefs tend to be unpopular. This is also true. Unpopular people tend to be discriminated against. Unfortunate and illegal, but also true.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.

Them black folk shoulda kept to themselves, seeing how unpopular integration and such was.

I'm sure segregationists were furious at the suggestion.

 

[Malerin]

Them black folk shoulda kept to themselves, seeing how unpopular integration and such was.

I'm sure segregationists were furious at the suggestion.

Without hyperbole, right?

 

[Resume]

Without hyperbole, right?

You know what, I agree with your observation: mine was a poor example. But what still holds is that secularism is growing in the U.S. and those people who become "furious" at the non-religious are simply going to have to get over it, because we ain't going anywhere.

 

[truethat]

The implication is that atheism is an unpopular belief system. This is true. People who express unpopular beliefs tend to be unpopular. This is also true. Unpopular people tend to be discriminated against. Unfortunate and illegal, but also true.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.

No I'm sorry I'm not going to do that because some moron is getting "infuriated"

I don't preach my beliefs or try to correct others in theirs. I am however allowed in this country to express my views without being discriminated against.

I am also allowed among intelligent people to express my view that God myths are myths and humans have believed in myths since the dawn of history.

And I truly take offense at your comparison of having an unpopular view to having racist and pedophile views. Your statement is wrong and rude.

In fact your statement is infuriating. So why don't you take a bit of your own advice and not say it? Or are atheists less than regular humans in your opinion and our anger at such statements doesn't count.

Do we need to "suck it up?" If we do then please by all means do the same.

 

[Mister Agenda]

And they will. They've been living with us forever without having to know what we really think. That's changing and they will get used to it and in a few decades the idea of discriminating against atheists in the USA will be considered bigoted and primitive.

 

[truethat]

Without hyperbole, right?

It isn't hyperbole. It's based on your statements. LOL that's rich.

 

[Ausmerican]

NAMBLA members can totally sympathize with this rant.

NAMBLA members would seem to have more in common with the RCC priesthood than atheists as far as unpopular organisations go.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.

Really? Cos being preached to/at by christians infuriates many people. Should christians then keep it to themselves?

Or is it OK when you are the majority?

Does that fall under the tyranny of the majority or might makes right?
Either way I thought those were principles that America was supposed to be against?

But I guess that should read; America is against the tyranny of the majority and the concept that might makes right, Americans, not so much.

 

[tsig]

Then it should not be too hard to throw up a couple of examples

Smallowski family (atheist girl punished for not participating in religious activity, family objects and is harassed, obviously fake charges brought against father, dog killed, basically the sort of thing one expects from "good Christians")

So we now condem 2.1 Billion people to stereo type through the actions of 277 people in a 10th rate town in a fifth rate fly over state of the USA

Thats gotta be some sort of record

You ask for an example, get it, then blast the poster for giving it to you.

 

[Ausmerican]

You ask for an example, get it, then blast the poster for giving it to you.

I am honestly starting to wonder if MG is being a parody version of the "good atheist" from the OP.