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The Freeman Movement and England

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jargon buster said:
Well, Im feeling pretty pleased with myself this morning after reading Yozhiks post over on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149904
They ban me from debating and then start threads about me when Im gone, I only need girlgye to start one now and thats the "big three" :)

Yozhik has now claimed to have researched freeman redemption sites, legal lawful textbooks and some "other" sources to form his opinions on his "trusts" theory.

He has clearly stated that he believes any legal/lawful sources are simply "dogma" and therefore useless.
So by that rationale his information can only come from freeman sites and "other" sources.
So given that all freeman/redemption sites use legal/lawful references for their study they can be discounted as dogma also.

Question is yozhik, where is this "other" source of your "research"

You see you have built a rod for your own back with your inane ramblings because anything you wish to use to defend your position in a court of law you must be able to credit a LEGAL/LAWFUL REFERENCE.

We both know thats never going to happen dont we , because your are just a delusional keyboard wannabe pretend lawyer.
Its just the poor unfortunates that lurk on Ickes who may actually be daft enough to take your word as truth that will end up in the mire.

If you have any bottle at all "MATT" you will come and sign up over here and we can all discuss your trust theory.

By the way , Im lurking back on Ickes as I have three log ons ready to go, hell we may have even spoke already ;)
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Damn you asky i was cutting my ties with the freemen but upon reading the link you've provided i'm being compelled to comment.
Can i say how funny i find yozhik, no really, i find his his constant levels of stupid quite entertaining, herald homes is also ridiculously stupid, brilliant. Girlgye on the other hand reminds me of the kind of chick who liked Kate Bush when she was a teenager but when all her friends moved on to uni and the like, she became a crusty and now as middle age beckons she knows that she's wasted her life so she now posts what she thinks is arty prose. The fools at ickes are a sad bunch after all they buy every single conspiracy theory you can think of, from the queens a lizard to 9/11 to chemtrails,fluoride, vaccinations you know the stuff. Ickes such sick **** he even has cancer cures, i mean what kind of folk are they that they'd stoop so low as to make money from those dying from cancer.
So yozhik come over, you hide over at the site that extorts money from those dying from cancer and you have the hard neck to claim the high moral ground, truth is mate you're an undereducated fool who is scared to come here because you don't have mod protection.
I know you won't come and i don't blame you, after all you know ◊◊◊◊ about the law or anything else and you'd be exposed as the fantasist you are,still maybe it's for the best because you provide comedy gold with every post you make, keeping those who read you amazed and stunned at the level of your stupidness.
 
"Without prejudice" makes me laugh in my job. It does not make letters inadmissable in Criminal Cases. Alongside the Freemen I have to deal with net-lawyer educated road traffic defendants. Both have the same misconception and get very upset when we use their letters against them.

I've been to the Court of Arms - shown round the College of Arms and given tea by the charming Portcullis Pursuivant. It does actually have a bar btw.
 
Couldn't resist a follow up...apologies......


2 hours later, Mrs Yozik returns home.

“…….so taking Blacks’ definition of trust, oh hello love you’re back, I was just researching trusts and whether me accepting a cup of tea, sorry haven’t got round to Freemanly defining cup or indeed what classes as tea, in the sense of ownership and…what’s this?”

Takes sheet of paper from Mrs Yozik’s shaking hand.

“Aaah a fee schedule for the last 10 years of our relationship, 10 million pounds for having to listen to me whine on and on and on and on, 5 million pounds for injury caused by tripping over 2nd edition of Blacks’ law dictionary resulting in stubbed toe and £1000 for helping me out of the linguistic feed back loop I got into over trying to define the semantics of semantics…..I have 3 days to not reply and deem it legal and binding…I think, love, you’ll find that…….what are you doing now, isn’t that the Ainsley Harriet carving knife I bought you last Christmas?...”

“Oh, you’ve had the handle engraved, I think you’ll find though it should say ‘without prejudice’ rather than ‘extreme prejudice’…..ok , here’s an interesting development, if I choose not to consent to accept this knife sticking out of my chest where does that put us in the whole tricky area of contractual obligations…further research is called for I think….whoooo feeling a bit faint, I think I will have that cup of tea love……did I tell you that Jargon Buster has been on the web again……I gave him a piece of my mind…very funny love , yes I can spare it….well I gave him what for on a totally different website….see how he likes that.

“Whilst I was out dear, I called in Sainsbury’s, got a nice Raspberry Torte cake, would you like a slice with your tea?”

“Sorry love can’t research Torts right now got to look at contracts and whether this knife should be classed a benefit…..here’s one for you…..who owns the knife?...I bought it but gave it to you…..so who owns it….me?...you?....the DVLA?....tricky…”
 
D'rok said:
I think this nicely sums up the Freeman dream:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149835

Dude runs away from his debts in England and ends up in Spain. That didn't work out and now he has to return to Blighty. So, obviously, he needs FOTL legal expertise on how to avoid his creditors when he gets back.
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I like how that thread is entitled "Staying Off The Grid" and yet so far nobody has come up with any actual advice for doing so (apart from a vague reference to finding "alternative accommodation").
Don't know about US FOTLERs, but the UK lot are clearly all mouth and no trousers, more concerned with getting out of paying council tax than real freedom.
 
talkie toaster said:
Couldn't resist a follow up...apologies......


2 hours later, Mrs Yozik returns home.

“…….so taking Blacks’ definition of trust, oh hello love you’re back, I was just researching trusts and whether me accepting a cup of tea, sorry haven’t got round to Freemanly defining cup or indeed what classes as tea, in the sense of ownership and…what’s this?”

Takes sheet of paper from Mrs Yozik’s shaking hand.

“Aaah a fee schedule for the last 10 years of our relationship, 10 million pounds for having to listen to me whine on and on and on and on, 5 million pounds for injury caused by tripping over 2nd edition of Blacks’ law dictionary resulting in stubbed toe and £1000 for helping me out of the linguistic feed back loop I got into over trying to define the semantics of semantics…..I have 3 days to not reply and deem it legal and binding…I think, love, you’ll find that…….what are you doing now, isn’t that the Ainsley Harriet carving knife I bought you last Christmas?...”

“Oh, you’ve had the handle engraved, I think you’ll find though it should say ‘without prejudice’ rather than ‘extreme prejudice’…..ok , here’s an interesting development, if I choose not to consent to accept this knife sticking out of my chest where does that put us in the whole tricky area of contractual obligations…further research is called for I think….whoooo feeling a bit faint, I think I will have that cup of tea love……did I tell you that Jargon Buster has been on the web again……I gave him a piece of my mind…very funny love , yes I can spare it….well I gave him what for on a totally different website….see how he likes that.

“Whilst I was out dear, I called in Sainsbury’s, got a nice Raspberry Torte cake, would you like a slice with your tea?”

“Sorry love can’t research Torts right now got to look at contracts and whether this knife should be classed a benefit…..here’s one for you…..who owns the knife?...I bought it but gave it to you…..so who owns it….me?...you?....the DVLA?....tricky…”
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Brilliant! Keep 'em coming, I'm sure Yozhik will approve!
 
sophia8 said:
I like how that thread is entitled "Staying Off The Grid" and yet so far nobody has come up with any actual advice for doing so (apart from a vague reference to finding "alternative accommodation").
Don't know about US FOTLERs, but the UK lot are clearly all mouth and no trousers, more concerned with getting out of paying council tax than real freedom.
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There is another thread which really brought that into relief this week. When Girlgye was challenged to consider the possibility of giving up her benefits she went into meltdown. She wasn't the only one.

That sort of attitude says so much.
 
sophia8 said:
I like how that thread is entitled "Staying Off The Grid" and yet so far nobody has come up with any actual advice for doing so
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I always enjoy the irony of people who want to be "off the grid" posting on the internet.
 
H2pogo has given the OP some advice as to staying off the grid
I heard that if you evade debt with banks for over five years then approach them and make them an offer they have to accept the offer..

Now i dont have a clue if its true..but it might be worth looking into..

once you put the kids into school you will have to registrar..If you home schooled and dont claim any benefits then i dont see why you would have to as long as you found your own accommodation.
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149835

:D
Is that bad advice or no advice at all?
 
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So live in a cave for five years and you're good to go? Wow, I wonder why more people don't do that!
 
cocana said:
Brilliant! Keep 'em coming, I'm sure Yozhik will approve!
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If I remain sober enough over Christmas I'm sure there is mileage to be had in Menard, GirlGye, Yozhic and Bones playing a festive game of Monoploy:

" I appreciate that it's our God given right to free will and choice to consent to, or otherwise but we can't all be the Little Dog can we, there's only one and I'm it, no, that doesn't mean I am forcing you to consent to be the Top Hat you can choose to accept, or not....................."
 
Oh dear. Yozhik approves of my Matrix citation. I'm embarrassed that I can't come up with an example of bollocks research that even FOTLers can recognize as bollocks. It's a failure of imagination on my part - or a failure to properly appreciate the depths of silliness that passes for scholarship over there.

I must try harder.
 
Sledge said:
So live in a cave for five years and you're good to go? Wow, I wonder why more people don't do that!
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You know, there's material here for a series of comics.., The FoTLer real estate agent....I'll get back to you on this.


talkie toaster said:
If I remain sober enough over Christmas I'm sure there is mileage to be had in Menard, GirlGye, Yozhic and Bones playing a festive game of Monoploy:

" I appreciate that it's our God given right to free will and choice to consent to, or otherwise but we can't all be the Little Dog can we, there's only one and I'm it, no, that doesn't mean I am forcing you to consent to be the Top Hat you can choose to accept, or not....................."
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"I didn't "land" on Boardwalk, I'm merely "travelling over" your "walk" on my way to "pass" Go. In fact, that means you owe me $200!"
 
I heard that if you evade debt with banks for over five years then approach them and make them an offer they have to accept the offer..

Now i dont have a clue if its true..but it might be worth looking into..
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In a word - no. :D
once you put the kids into school you will have to registrar..If you home schooled and dont claim any benefits then i dont see why you would have to as long as you found your own accommodation
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Homeschooling the kids is feasible - if you're well-organised. But unless you want to teach yourself medicine, it might be a good idea to register them with a doctor. And you'll have to do without a vehicle, since that means taxing, insurance and so on.
Accomodation could be hard to find. Most landlords require references and few property-sellers are willing to accept a suitcase full of cash. (Speaking of which, he'll have to keep a close eye on all that cash hell have stuffed in the mattress. If somebody nicks it, will he really go to the police?)
He could look for a rural commune-type place where he can try "living off the land", but he'll have trouble finding one that will accept him. The people who live in them are invariably pretty picky about who their neighbours are. Plus, living off the land is bloody hard work.
Quite frankly, somebody who makes a habit of piling up debts and then running away to hide out in another country doesn't strike me as the type who will stick around to grow food, rear and tend animals, teach his own kids, build his own house, put together his own power sources, trudge around finding cash-in-hand work etc etc....
 
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