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The Freeman Movement and England

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D'rok said:
I think this nicely sums up the Freeman dream:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149835

Dude runs away from his debts in England and ends up in Spain. That didn't work out and now he has to return to Blighty. So, obviously, he needs FOTL legal expertise on how to avoid his creditors when he gets back.
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Provided he has the wit to read the right post he should be fine :D

BTW don't knock the Harry Potter Lawyers - I'm reliably informed by my city cronies that Scriveners make pot loads of money (even more than Patent Agents). Being an embittered hack I'm inclined to set the freemen on them :D
 
gtm said:
Provided he has the wit to read the right post he should be fine :D
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What happens if an action was brought while he was abroad, despite his absence? Is that possible? Does that vitiate the statutory limitation period?

BTW don't knock the Harry Potter Lawyers - I'm reliably informed by my city cronies that Scriveners make pot loads of money (even more than Patent Agents). Being an embittered hack I'm inclined to set the freemen on them :D
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Please do! I get no end of entertainment from this stuff.
 
The freemen ascribe almost superhuman powers to Notaries so the mind boggles as to what will happen when they find out about the scriveners.
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Ah yes, the notaries they hold in such esteem whos authourity is derived from the Notaries Act which they dont acknowledge as a real law.
 
D'rok said:
What happens if an action was brought while he was abroad, despite his absence? Is that possible? Does that vitiate the statutory limitation period?


Please do! I get no end of entertainment from this stuff.
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They could have served a Claim Form on his last known & then obtained a default judgement when he failed to file a Defence. They'd have 6 years from when they obtained the Judgement to enforce.

Credit Card Companies write cases like this down as a bad debt & then assign them to Debt Collectors for a fraction of the real sum owed. For freeman this gives rise to the ridiculous 'defence' that they have no contract with the debt collectors & therefore don't have to pay. This is naturally wrong. The curtains went up on the contract upon default. All thats left is the debt & that can be sold on without 'consent' or silliness like Novation Agreements (note to self - tell freemen about Novation :jaw-dropp).
 
yozhik seems to be nursing a bulge in his trousers over on Ickes accusing me of being an idiot.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955&page=16

He now claims to have done further research on his "Trusts theory" alongside taking the word of Mary and Frank and that I failed to notice that he had mentioned this.

Now yozhik, I know you are reading this, please tell everyone on David Ickes where you did your other research?

You either took it from Commercial Redemption/Freeman sites or the legal/lawful textbooks you claimed to be indoctrinated dogma.
So which is it?

By the way, were you and this guy separated at birth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic
Here is an example; Mr Logic is in charge of the till at the local off-licence

Armed Robber: No nonsense. Just give me all your money.

Mr Logic: I shall commence by pointing out to you that my demeanour is not one which could be described as nonsensical. Consequently I can attest you have no cause to reprimand me on your first point. On to your second point: Bearing in mind the potentially lethal situation in which I find myself, to wit: your presence in conjunction with the presumably loaded firearm which is presently levelled at my cranium, I will comply with your request comprehensively, albeit reluctantly. Here, twenty-seven pence.

Armed Robber: Twenty-seven pence? **** off. There's more than that in the till.

Mr Logic: Indeed, undoubtedly so. However your request was for *my* money. The currency in the till belongs to a third party and is therefore not "my money". However, if you are still desirous of said money I would suggest that you re-phrase your original statement to recognise and incorporate this important distinction.
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You are opposite sides of the same coin, Mr logic is always right.
PS if anyone is posting over there please link this for him :)
 
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a little insight into the workings of Mary Gye.
After a little spat with her sidekick yozhik, she posted this
I wasn't aiming at you Matt.
After all you should know THERE IS NO CONTEST IS THERE? And mean that sincerely albeit cynically.
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955&page=16
mmmm....wasn't that subtle?
Revealing his name to the forum and as such exposing his underbelly to the trolls, sorry skeptics.
It would appear she does want the top dog position after all.
 
jargon buster said:
yozhik seems to be nursing a bulge in his trousers over on Ickes accusing me of being an idiot.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955&page=16

He now claims to have done further research on his "Trusts theory" alongside taking the word of Mary and Frank and that I failed to notice that he had mentioned this.

Now yozhik, I know you are reading this, please tell everyone on David Ickes where you did your other research?

You either took it from Commercial Redemption/Freeman sites or the legal/lawful textbooks you claimed to be indoctrinated dogma.
So which is it?

By the way, were you and this guy separated at birth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic

You are opposite sides of the same coin, Mr logic is always right.
PS if anyone is posting over there please link this for him :)
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Proxy-up and head on over. Do it for the LOLs.
 
jargon buster said:
yozhik seems to be nursing a bulge in his trousers over on Ickes accusing me of being an idiot.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955&page=16

He now claims to have done further research on his "Trusts theory" alongside taking the word of Mary and Frank and that I failed to notice that he had mentioned this.

Now yozhik, I know you are reading this, please tell everyone on David Ickes where you did your other research?

You either took it from Commercial Redemption/Freeman sites or the legal/lawful textbooks you claimed to be indoctrinated dogma.
So which is it?

By the way, were you and this guy separated at birth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic

You are opposite sides of the same coin, Mr logic is always right.
PS if anyone is posting over there please link this for him :)
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He's caught between a rock and a hard place as it is. He reads this forum, that much he has demonstrated already. Now he either needs to pull out his retracted balls and answer the question or sit there frustrated.

Or maybe unload them on the weetabix that he's so fond of.

:)
 
gtm said:
They could have served a Claim Form on his last known & then obtained a default judgement when he failed to file a Defence. They'd have 6 years from when they obtained the Judgement to enforce.

Credit Card Companies write cases like this down as a bad debt & then assign them to Debt Collectors for a fraction of the real sum owed. For freeman this gives rise to the ridiculous 'defence' that they have no contract with the debt collectors & therefore don't have to pay. This is naturally wrong. The curtains went up on the contract upon default. All thats left is the debt & that can be sold on without 'consent' or silliness like Novation Agreements
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Understood. Gracias
(note to self - tell freemen about Novation :jaw-dropp).
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The silly bastards are way ahead of you:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059526075&postcount=37
 
jargon buster said:
Now yozhik, I know you are reading this, please tell everyone on David Ickes where you did your other research?

You either took it from Commercial Redemption/Freeman sites or the legal/lawful textbooks you claimed to be indoctrinated dogma.
So which is it?
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My money's on more nutjob sites. yozhik's a complete idiot.
 
gtm said:
We also have odd ball legal professionals. Check out these guys!

http://www.scrivener-notaries.org.uk/

The freemen ascribe almost superhuman powers to Notaries so the mind boggles as to what will happen when they find out about the scriveners.
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Qualifying examinations for Scrivener notaries are set by the Scriveners Company (“the Worshipful Company of Scriveners of the City of London”).
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I don't know if that will make them scream "A-ha! Told you so!", or run in terror.....
 
yozhik is flailing around again
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149421&page=2

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If they'd been able to 'research' and think outside their self referencing world for just one moment, they could have picked that bit of info up from the 'Freedom Movement' YEARS ago.
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So he is just parroting freeman sites, its all clear now.
He "researches" freeman sites and cross references them against legal lawful avenues and then dismisses the real stuff and goes with the freeman drivel taken from the valid law sites that has been tweaked to suit an agenda.

Well done yozhik
 
jargon buster said:
yozhik is flailing around again
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149421&page=2

he wrote


So he is just parroting freeman sites, its all clear now.
He "researches" freeman sites and cross references them against legal lawful avenues and then dismisses the real stuff and goes with the freeman drivel taken from the valid law sites that has been tweaked to suit an agenda.

Well done yozhik
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The "Freedom Movement" is basing its "research" on equity on an obscure court in Delaware? Sheesh. They're even dimmer than I thought. Is that where they try all their test cases? Kind of inconvenient if you have to travel there from elsewhere and all you've got is a WFS laissez passer and a dole cheque.

Never mind that equity and common law were merged in the UK in 1875 and pretty much every other common law jurisdiction immediately followed suit. There's one minor jurisdiction that didn't! See, you ignorant shills!
 
jargon buster said:
yozhik is flailing around again
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149421&page=2

he wrote


So he is just parroting freeman sites, its all clear now.
He "researches" freeman sites and cross references them against legal lawful avenues and then dismisses the real stuff and goes with the freeman drivel taken from the valid law sites that has been tweaked to suit an agenda.

Well done yozhik
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Ah, so since this Yozhik chap and the other legal beagles over at Icke's are so on the ball, they must have known about this Delaware court long before we did here. I wonder how they found out about it?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058850373&postcount=123

:eek:
 
jargon buster said:
The freemen always like to throw in this little gem from Edward Mandell House

http://www.freedompool.org/HouseQuote.htm
NOW BEAR IN MIND IT WAS SAID IN A PRIVATE MEETING BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE.
1.Who wrote it down?
2. How accurate was the transcript if it existed at all?
A classic example of repeaters who never use rationale and logic because the information suits the agenda.
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from linked passage said:
After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges.
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I apologize for the triteness but this really does follow the form so popular with the kids these days.

1. construct imaginary funds by creating a lien.
2. keep the lien secret or you will have to surrender all the imaginary funds.
3. ?????
4. PROFIT!
 
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Well, Im feeling pretty pleased with myself this morning after reading Yozhiks post over on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149904
They ban me from debating and then start threads about me when Im gone, I only need girlgye to start one now and thats the "big three" :)

Yozhik has now claimed to have researched freeman redemption sites, legal lawful textbooks and some "other" sources to form his opinions on his "trusts" theory.

He has clearly stated that he believes any legal/lawful sources are simply "dogma" and therefore useless.
So by that rationale his information can only come from freeman sites and "other" sources.
So given that all freeman/redemption sites use legal/lawful references for their study they can be discounted as dogma also.

Question is yozhik, where is this "other" source of your "research"

You see you have built a rod for your own back with your inane ramblings because anything you wish to use to defend your position in a court of law you must be able to credit a LEGAL/LAWFUL REFERENCE.

We both know thats never going to happen dont we , because your are just a delusional keyboard wannabe pretend lawyer.
Its just the poor unfortunates that lurk on Ickes who may actually be daft enough to take your word as truth that will end up in the mire.

If you have any bottle at all "MATT" you will come and sign up over here and we can all discuss your trust theory.

By the way , Im lurking back on Ickes as I have three log ons ready to go, hell we may have even spoke already ;)
 
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